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Originally Posted by Ken Hill
Jeff,

How do you answer that in a public forum knowing there is a chance that someone will read it and take with them an absolute!
I'm sorry, we are not the police. Okay, maybe I am, but not the internet or information police.

There are recipes on the internet that are search-able to build bombs, to create plastique, to create all kinds of havoc on our fellow man. Is there a need for this? IMHO, NO. Of course there are morons out there who publish trash, just because they think they are the smartest, greatest, at whatever they think they are great at. Their information may be good, it may be a hack's attempt at relaying bad information. It may be third or fourth hand. How many credible sites are out there that have bogus information? Hell, even Wikipedia is wrought with bad, sometimes potentially dangerous information.

What this boils down to is PFR, or Personal F*&#-ing Responsibility. Yet another trait lost to the generations. People are on TV killling each other in new, novel ways. So we have copycat killers. I grew up watching the Three Stooges, but yet, I have never run a saw across anyone's head, nor struck someone on the head with a sledge hammer (even though they probably deserved it). It's that PFR that restrains most 'normal' people from doing that kind of crap.

Publishing ideas on this forum and the speaking thereof are not the problem. If that 'kid' referred to earlier, sees some of our (YOUR) discussions on CONSERVATIVE approaches that need to be taken, it may actually cause him to calculate his death-(hopefully)defying dive on the conservative side, even if by accident. For those too truly far gone to realize that 99% of what is out here is WAY beyond their skill, talent, and/or Karma level, well nothing is going to stop them from becoming a statistic.

Ken, I don't know you, nor Andrew, for that matter. I see both sides of your concerns (as best as a newbie can...). My work environment is subject to arm-chair review and possible lawsuits everyday. I work with a team of guys that dress in black and carry MP-5's on the job. I am most cautious by nature, yet at some point each of my Ninja Turtles have to take their own PFR for what we do. EVERYTHING we say, do, publish gets reviewed after every incident. Heaven forbid we get into a shooting? Our training records are reviewed back through time. An instructor I had 20 years ago can be brought forth and his training plan, lesson plan, and his reputation can all be called into judgment by people that weren't even born when he was teaching. It is truly a screwed up world in which we live.

It is possible that anything that is/was written on this forum can be called into question if that little knot-head does something stupid based on what he read. I fear SB and TDS may have a worse time of it.

It may be a good idea to at least move threads that veer off-topic, such as this to a new category of 'bouncing opinions/thoughts' or something that by its nature let's the reader (read: attorney's) know before they enter, that anything under that heading is not 'sanctioned' by the site or any agencies, even if author claims it. They can verify themselves with the agencies.

We all are going to feel that there are things that we can do more than our skills would/should allow. That is natural given the conservative nature of our training and 'rules'. We know, fundamentally that the rules are on the conservative side and we know, intellectually that they can be bent to a degree. Me? I'm not quite ready to test that dog just yet, I'm still to concerned he will bite me in the ass.

Sorry I seem to rant a little, even jump topics. I tend to wax to hear myself.

Roger