What he said!Originally Posted by Rich
Here's a free 1 yr membership to the NRA to boot!
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So who violated CDS policy and allowed Russel to become a Life Member of the CDS while only having a Sustaining Membership to the NSS?
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"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."
~ Thomas Jefferson
That (unfortunately) is not a violation as far as I'm aware. I was doing the same thing. I had paid off my CDS life membership right away but was "making payments" on the NSS. I finally decided to quit dragging it out and just pay the NSS portion off.
I say unfortunately because the problem is that you can pay the CDS life membership in full and get a nice shiny plastic "CDS Life member" card when you sign up as a sustaining member of the NSS and then quit the NSS, still possessing the CDS card to show for access to all the CDS caves.
Last edited by Line Squirrel; 04-28-2009 at 06:55 AM.
It's bad luck to be superstitious.
I have to disagree with you there....NRA membership is required to belong to the local range; plus Wayne and the boys at the NRA are what is between me and NoBama taking away my right to keep and bear arms......Nothing against the NRA, but you get more bang for your buck with NSS-CDS. IMHO
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There are 3 kinds of people in this world; those who are good at math, and those who are not.
My NSS dues are paid thru 2011
Russel
I always thought the organization I paid my dues to was the NSS-CDS. A cave is a cave is a cave, doesn't matter what's in it. FWIW, I only dry cave now (and unfortunately not as much of that as I would like) but plan to maintain my CDS portion of the NSS-CDS dues because I believe in the mission of both the NSS and the CDS, which is why I opted to become a NSS-CDS member in the first place. Diving Cow, WW, that was just an added benefit.
DeWayne
The safest way to dive solo is to refuse to dive with an idiot. - Dave Sutton
Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum - Ambrose Bierce (1906, Devil's Dictionary)
Let's not forget that it was the rat bastards at the NRA that sold many of its members (the sport shooters/tactical match shooters/High Power/National Match shooters) down the river in 1994 when they did not oppose the assault weapon ban in return for some mushy guarentees to protect hunting for the mainstream Elmer Fudd NRA members. I haven't sent them a dime in membership dues since and I doubt I ever will again.
And let's be real clear that it was the Dems getting voted out of office in the wake of the 1994 Assault Weapon ban that is preventing the current dem majority from even considering another repeat of that totally useless legislation - not any posturing or threats by the NRA.
65 house democrates have in fact notified the President that they will under no circumstances support another assault weapon ban, no matter how bad he wants it and the Senate majority leader as well as Nancy Pelosi, a Left Coast senator no less, has also voiced opposition to any further attempts to re-enact the assault weapon ban due to a lack of constituent support and recognition that it is pretty much political suicide.
And by the way I am a Democrat - a law abiding non-criminally inclined democrat who likes handguns and evil black rifles with high capacity magazines - and I remain more than happy to vote out any democrats who'd seek to restrict my rights to own and use them. (Gun ownership that is, not ownership of politicians - I am totally oppopsed to slavery unless we are talking about tank sherpas - in my opinion a tank sherpa should come with a Full Cave card.)
With regard to dry caving - I tried it when I was younger. It is dirty, smelly, claustophobic, full of bats and insects, and is really hard work much of the time as the rules of gravity apply all the time. All of which severely sucks in my opinion.
I don't mind swimming through several hundred feet of bedding plane only 2 1/2 ft high, but there is nothing on the planet that would get me to do that in a dry cave.
As for NSS membership I am with sludge on that (as are apparently 57% of the poll respondents) as I'd prefer to only belong to the CDS even if the price for CDS membership were the same as the current NSS/CDS combination. I have zero interest in dry caving - so why be a member. In pretty much the same way that I am not intersted in being an NRA member as I have zero interest in blasting poor dumb animals that can't even shoot back, even if guns are a common ingredient.
On the other hand, if I could get NSS members with zero interest in cave diving to come sherpa my gear to and from Cow Spring, Friedman Sink, etc I could see NSS membership as being very beneficial to me!
Damn, be glad you were not at Roppel in 2007, you would have seen real cave and you would have seen numerous NSS & CRF members humping cylinders in and out. Even the disabled NSS members found a way to assist. A cave is a cave is a cave; the only thing that differs is one's true motivation for going in to start with.
On the other hand, if I could get NSS members with zero interest in cave diving to come sherpa my gear to and from Cow Spring, Friedman Sink, etc I could see NSS membership as being very beneficial to me!
2.5 ft tall bedding planes? Is that supposed to be a small passage or something?
DeWayne
The safest way to dive solo is to refuse to dive with an idiot. - Dave Sutton
Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum - Ambrose Bierce (1906, Devil's Dictionary)
No, but its one that is too tight for (most) people to stand up in, and swimming is a lot easier than crawling.2.5 ft tall bedding planes? Is that supposed to be a small passage or something?
A long 4 ft tall pasage is just as bad, as staying stooped over for long periods also sucks.
I agree with you regarding motivation. I am and always will be a diver, and I love diving in caves, but I am not and never will be a dry caver.
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