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View Poll Results: I am full cave & have the the following tec training (mark highest level)

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  • None

    13 7.69%
  • Advanced Nitrox

    3 1.78%
  • Deco Procedures

    2 1.18%
  • Adv. Nitrox & Deco Procedures

    42 24.85%
  • Trimix and/or Advanced Trimix

    109 64.50%
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    Yeah, I'm trained in technical diving. It's called cave diving.

    In my day, the things you learn in "Advanced Nitrox" and "Decompression Procedures" were taught during cave training. Of course, I learned decompression diving in NASDS Open Water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slüdge View Post
    Yeah, I'm trained in technical diving. It's called cave diving.
    This is my feeling as well, though I think this poll is interesting to see what other training people have in addition to full cave.

    Every technical diving certification except cave can be gotten from some instructors without ever having to let go of the anchor line.

    Well, maybe not DPV...

    Mike

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    Why don't instructors add AN/DP to full cave courses? Two birds with one stone.


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    jah, you can. i did adv nit with full in jan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JahJahwarrior View Post
    Why don't instructors add AN/DP to full cave courses?
    As my post mentioned, mine did. Only he didn't charge for it. His thinking is that decompression procedures are a part of cave diving.

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    I believe deco procedures should either be a prereq for full cave, or teach it with full cave, but use the apprentice course for how it was meant to be used (aka no zero to hero courses), make a diver show x number of dives before moving on, so they can gain experience. Just because you can demonstrate skills, without experience with diving they have not had a chance to handle issues. sorry alittle of topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atedeschi View Post
    I believe deco procedures should either be a prereq for full cave, or teach it with full cave, but use the apprentice course for how it was meant to be used (aka no zero to hero courses), make a diver show x number of dives before moving on, so they can gain experience. Just because you can demonstrate skills, without experience with diving they have not had a chance to handle issues. sorry alittle of topic.
    I agree. Training is essential, but you need experience to really apply and learn that training before you run off and get more training.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slüdge View Post
    As my post mentioned, mine did. Only he didn't charge for it. His thinking is that decompression procedures are a part of cave diving.
    I completely agree, and learning deco procedures in a cave environment adds an important dimension in terms of having to plan for and work with the cave profile you have on a dive and in terms of gas selection.

    Quote Originally Posted by rjack View Post
    Cave deco is pretty damn esay compared to mid-water in the ocean tho.
    Yes and no. Doing deco offshore in a ripping current and or with the boat heaving in 6 ft swells has its own challenges, but you have a lot more control over the dive profile and more flexibility in terms of deco gasses. Doing deco in a cave is potentially very easy - but only if you do the planning properly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DA Aquamaster View Post
    Yes and no. Doing deco offshore in a ripping current and or with the boat heaving in 6 ft swells has its own challenges, but you have a lot more control over the dive profile and more flexibility in terms of deco gasses. Doing deco in a cave is potentially very easy - but only if you do the planning properly.
    To me its easy because my cave profile is so predictable hence the latter half of the dive is a natural continuation of the deeper portion. And there aren't cold hangs at 20ft on a SMB.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JahJahwarrior View Post
    Why don't instructors add AN/DP to full cave courses? Two birds with one stone.
    This was covered in my Cave 2 and Tech 1 training

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    My instructor covered it enough that I feel safe doing the decompression dives I am currently doing--with a single gas, in the cave environment. I don't know if I asked specifically about combining full with AN/DP, but I do remember him tell me to wait to take AN/DP until after full cave because then, the class could be taught in the cave, whereas with apprentice or lower, AN/DP would be taught in open water. Atleast, that's my best recollection of what I was told. I think AN/DP is a three day course, generally, correct? Requiring more dives than full cave, and it's a pricey course from what I've seen. I simply don't have the time nor the money, but I would like to take it. As it is, I do feel I have learned enough about decompression procedures for the level of diving I am doing currently. I do know that my instructor used resources other than the cave agency textbooks to teach me, and I wish that the standard procedure was to teach AN/DP with full cave classes....just like I wish more was taught about karst/aquifer processes

    My instructor did a great job of covering the topics that would be important for the diving I am doing, and that was great. I know I could get an AN/DP card from some fly by night instructor for a low price, but I honestly would rather be mentored by a good instructor and not get a card, then have a card but no clue what I'm doing. As it is, I don't have a card, but my instructor has taught me some of the things I need to know, and when I have questions he is always willing to answer them, or show me the tools to think through the problem myself.



 

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