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In another thread, the query came up regarding the existence of "full cave" as a certification. It was something of an off-topic discussion in that thread, so I'm starting this new one.
Down in FL this past weekend, Forrest noted that my cave card said "Full Cave" and recalled that being discussed. Ergo, I present my card:
http://www.deepcaves.net/web_pix/cave_card.jpg
Here is the reverse: Check that sweet mugshot! And who the hell did my hair? Oh wait, I remember. Shout out to Jeff Hancock, who might also remember those haircuts...
http://www.cavediver.net/forum/attac...0&d=1228247107
What exactly are you full of?
I suspect it's that barbeque in Florida. Not to mention the breakfasts. I'm usually a VERY full cave diver when I'm diving in FL. The food's the best bit. Staying with Corey doesn't help either, he cooks too well.
The burping in the reg can be a bit irritating though.
Oh, yeah, right. On Thanksgiving, for lunch, we ate at the Dollar store in Mayo. Urk. The Luraville store had been open earlier, but it closed before we got there.Quote:
Originally Posted by aainslie
Man, I miss the slaw dogs from the Luraville store!Quote:
Originally Posted by aainslie
It would be intereting to do a poll to see the influx of cave divers into Florida between Oct. 31st and Jan 1st. Everyone and their dive buddy is there!
Back to the orginal point- Full Cave verses what?
It's sad when you travel and places will not accept your NSS-CDS card because it does not have your picture on it. Whats this world coming to?
I don't know about everyone else; but I just carry a business card holder and drop it on the table and ask them to pick the relavent card.
Andrew
I was just there and the slaw dogs are on the menu. Enjoy!
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Originally Posted by sskasser
We cooked instant soup with a propane burner on the tables at Orange Grove. We're always amazed at how many restaurants in Mayo are closed when we're up there for a dive trip...Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Girl
Dave
the bbq joint has been closed like the last 3 times I've been up there :(Quote:
Originally Posted by loquat149
Just curious, but who does this? Neither my NACD nor TDI Cave Cards have my mug plastered to them. Didn't know that would ever be a problem anywhere... Course, most the places I preffer to dive aren't exactly the kinda places that ask for a card, mostly because there isnt' a person there to ask.Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyduck
The C-cards used to say "Full Cave." Now they just say "Cave."Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyduck
Jason,Quote:
Originally Posted by rchrds
Are you so ugly that the mods had to break the link?:-D
How do I know this is your card? This could very well be Forrest's card........He was certified in '93?:yawinkle:
Or are the black stripes eye liner? In that case, Forrest just became a whole lot more interesting.....
Maybe to you....:smt081:smt079Quote:
Originally Posted by MengTze
Mine Too! this has been the source of several heated arguments over the the last years or so
Maybe the "Full Cave" means that the cave is full - of water! As opposed to the empty caves, that are full of air, except for the parts that are full of mud. What about the empty caves which have sumps that are full of water? Are they half empty or half full? Maybe it depends on whether you're an optimist or a pessimist. My cave card (CDS) just says "CAVE", which I take to mean that I can only cave dive in caves, which are certainly the best places to cave dive. Though I have been as wet "dry" caving as I have cave diving.
The photo thing is interesting - my PADI cards have my picture on them, where my TDI, NACD, and NSS/CDS cards don't. The PADI cards are much fancier looking, as well. A commentary on the modern emphasis on style as opposed to substance.
I have loose associations tonight - too much time in the ER lately dealing with difficult and crazy people. (The patients can sometimes be challenging, too.)
Mike
Don't put too much stock in cards. A guy the other day showed me his PADI AOW card. It was his card-- has his name, same shop and all that as his other cards, but PADI screwed up and put a photo of a pretty blonde gal on instead of his mugshot.
Maybe that's what he used to look like..Quote:
Originally Posted by JahJahwarrior
TDI still puts "Full Cave" on their cards.
We were in Belize in 2004 diving with Peter Hughes and their DM demanded a dive card with a picture. Only time I have showed my PADI OW card; like you everything else is NAUI, TDI and NSS-CDS.
Great part about cave diving- picnic benches don’t ask for cards…
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Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
Thank you... not been keeping up.
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Originally Posted by Slüdge
Yep, TDI card says "Full Cave Diver". NACD card says that I have "... satisfactorily completed a course in Cave Diving" No pictures, but then I don't look like the faded picture on my PADI card any how.
Mark Vlahos
No, Forrest wasn't certified in '93. Certifiable, maybe. Certified, no way.Quote:
Originally Posted by MengTze
Alas, I seem to post wayyyyyyy too much personal info on the web. So I'm trying to cut back. Nevertheless. I will post the back o my cave card. I don't look like that young girl anymore anyway!
http://www.deepcaves.net/web_pix/cave_card_pic.jpg
looks a lot better than the picture on the back of my cave card!!!
:mad: i Have no pitcure period! I feel cheated j/k
Nope, I wasn't "certified" until 2002 :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Girl
And what is with rule #4 "(3) battery powered lights"? Are they against nuclear power?
No carbide lamps either?Quote:
Originally Posted by FW
Mike
You have to have the special carbide lamp endorsement on your card.Quote:
Originally Posted by MORGAN
Don't laugh. I used to use carbide lamps all the time in sumps. No, they don't work *under* the water, but with a piezo striker, they come right on when you get to the other side of the sump.
Read the book. There's a story of a carbide lamp going through a sump. I have more details on that fiasco.Quote:
Originally Posted by FW
BTW, you have an RTG??????? Kewl!
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Originally Posted by Squirrel Girl
I've read the book - more than once - it's great! I've also dropped a carbide lamp in a breakdown pile and had to fish for it. Fortunately I was just a couple of hours from the surface in a local cave - instead of days from the surface, way to hell and gone beyond multiple sumps at the bottom of the world!
I still love my carbide lamps - they're nice and warm in our 48 degree northeastern caves. And good for heating up cans of Dinty Moore beef stew.
Mike
Not yet! One in a scooter would be awesome, though :-DQuote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Girl
Gad, wouldn't it! If you ever get the chance to read "Spies in the Himilayas" there's a fascinating RTG story in there. My favorite part was when the physicist armed the thing. It sprang to life. All the Indians moved in closer--ah, warmth. All the Americans moved back a bit--ah, plutonium!Quote:
Originally Posted by FW
There's a lot more to the RTG story, but I wouldn't want to spoil it for anyone. Really interesting book. Don't know how much of it is true, since the mission was classified, but I'd bet the gist is quite true, even if some details are fuzzy.
Glad you liked the book.Quote:
Originally Posted by MORGAN
So.... did you get your lamp back? (Hmmmm, where is that cave? Maybe I can get myself a free carbide lamp? :) )
I prefer LED lamps now. But carbide has some definite good points. (Actually I prefer caving in New Mexico where it's warm and dry! :roll: I remember going through some tight squeezy stuff in Cuba and then resting wearing a tank top, and thinking, "This is great, I'm sweating in a tank top and not shivering!" :D )
Yeah, I winkled the lamp out with a loop of parachute cord.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Girl
Warm caving would be different. One of my dry caving buddies went to an NCRC cave rescue course in Texas sometime in the late 1970's and is still talking about the warm mud!
None of us had any idea that such a thing existed. Though I have since heard that there are spas you can go to and pay to be slathered with hot mud.
Now my favorite caves are full of 70 degree water - I've become a complete wussy. Tracy & I have often discussed how much easier and more fun it would be if our local caves were full of water so that we could float effortlessly through them rather than do all that crawling, rigging, rappelling, ascending, etc.
Mike
the caves of bonaire are steamy. even in a swimsuit you sweat. the rock is warm to the touch and the water is velvety warm like a fleece blanket. i suppose technically they are sumps, tight crawls in sharp rock to find the chambers with the pools of water just shallow enough around the bank to sit a small group as if in a hot tub (although it's a bit cool for a hot tub). Rest up, talk and laugh, then dive under and proceed through the labrynth to the next open air pool. 83-87 degrees F. very nice and clear - even a "silt-out" is nary more than a dusting of white particles that settles fairly quickly.
-skip
Sounds great!Quote:
Originally Posted by skip
I've only been to Bonaire once. We haven't been to the Carribean since 2002 - every dive trip since has been to go cave diving. But I'm more interested in Bonaire now that I hear there are caves! Especially ones reminiscent of hot tubs! What arrangements do you have to make to get access to them?
Mike
There is a "dry" cave in WV is partially fed by a warm spring. When you go in, the water is pretty cold, but after awhile, you start shedding most/all of your clothes, until you only have knee pads, and boots (and a thin layer of mud).
:smt119 Really? I bet you get mud in some interesting places! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by FW
When's the next trip?
I helped resurvey Warm River Cave, but I thought it was in Virginia. It has a cold stream and a warm stream tributary. Lying in warm water sketching was fun!Quote:
Originally Posted by FW
Now you're all just teasing me with these stories of warm water, hot mud, and other improbabilities!:)
Mike
It might be in VA, it has been 30 years....Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Girl
totally off topic to squirrel girl -
my cousin is buying squirrel underpants (for squirrels, not with pics of squirrels on them) for her daddy's squirrel for christmas. maybe yours needs some fancy new duds?
Hmmmm...Marci...were there drugs involved in the making of this post? :smt081Quote:
Originally Posted by BabyDuck
http://www.mcphee.com/pixlarge/11884.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by sskasser
Don't your squirrel have underpants, Shirley?
Hey, I can see your nuts!Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Girl
oh, cool, a pic of christmas before christmas even gets here!
shirley, no, just normal sleep deprivation. i have a 2 year old. he decided 5:15 was a perfectly good time to wake up and screech until he's allowed up. at least he's too short to try to go over the side.