Mr. "DIC" was at Ginnie

Dove Ginnie this afternoon. I saw DIC carved on the cave wall. There was also another set of initial on top and a spanish/portuguese word on the bottom. Three lines total. All appeared to have been carved at the same time. Letters were 2-3" tall and carved pretty deep (1/4" at least).

Hopefully, the other set of initial and the word might be helpful the find the as@#%$

I just emailed Kelly with details and location. I don't think it would be a problem to divulge all the info here but I'm waiting to hear from Kelly first just in case.

I saw this turds (YES!! YOU MOST CERTAINLY ARE!!) handy work inside Cow this weekend. Why doesn't this p.o.s. just add a "K" to the end of his psuedo initials so as to at least give a clue to his true inner-self and what are most likely repressed homosexual leanings.
I'm guessing this scumbags white trash Mommy didn't pay enough attention to him as a child so this is his way of getting attention.
If I was diving and saw this occuring I would have a very difficult time restraining myself from commiting first degree murder but most likely I would just get a good look at the gear config, call my dive, and wait for his sorry ass to exit the cave where a gang of pissed of cavers will be waiting.
Whom ever you are....rest assured, one of us is going to catch you in the act and make you pay. You will rue the day you ever left the ghetto and your Mommie's skirt. :smt013

P.S. I'm identifying this dirtbag as a "he". Women don't typically do this kind of infantile stuff and I.M.O...This p.o.s. has an axe to grind.

Someone on the Deco Stop mentioned the arrows and messages drawn in the floor last year in the Devil's system were also about this time last year - which was also around the time of DEMA last year.

DEMA Show 2007: October 31-November 3.

It looks like we may have an infrequent but unwelcome group of cave diving visitors drawn through the area by the event at DEMA. Very likely cave trained and very likely diving with a buddy.

At least it should give us some more names to work with. Ginnie should still have the sign in forms.

Any idea how long the writing has been at Ginnie? Is it recent or could it have been dated back from the time of the other vandalisms?

Hopefully dic is his initials,and he can be identified by the signin waiver at ginnie.Its worth a try.

This makes me think there should be a sign in at Peacock, in case of problems you have some names to create a short list.

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I saw this turds (YES!! YOU MOST CERTAINLY ARE!!) handy work inside Cow this weekend. Why doesn't this p.o.s. just add a "K" to the end of his psuedo initials so as to at least give a clue to his true inner-self and what are most likely repressed homosexual leanings.
I'm guessing this scumbags white trash Mommy didn't pay enough attention to him as a child so this is his way of getting attention.
If I was diving and saw this occuring I would have a very difficult time restraining myself from commiting first degree murder but most likely I would just get a good look at the gear config, call my dive, and wait for his sorry ass to exit the cave where a gang of pissed of cavers will be waiting.
Whom ever you are....rest assured, one of us is going to catch you in the act and make you pay. You will rue the day you ever left the ghetto and your Mommie's skirt. :smt013

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If what people post are to be believed, and what is being conjectured is true.... there's a good chance that the culprit(s) is(are) from another country.

I've traveled the world, and in a lot of other countries, the standards of behavior are *much* different than we have here in the US of A. Many rural folks think it's entirely acceptable to throw their trash where ever. Eat a candy bar, finish it, drop the wrapper. It horrifies me, but that's the way many people operate.

So, if this really is the situation, I think it's a big mistake to call them "scumbags, "POS's," and "homosexual leanings." You'll just piss them off and not get them to understand the whole concept of being conservation-minded.

Of course, you have to be totally firm that grafitti is completely unacceptable, and in the US, prosecutable in some cases. But if you work to teach people a better way without insulting them, you'll probably get a better result.

For instance--I'm wayyyy into recycling. I used to rag on people about recycling. I don't think it ever did any good. They all came up with excuses or were flippant. Now, if I see an aluminum can in someone's trash, I ask them "Do you mind if I recycle this for you?" I've gotten several people to tell me that they've started recycling because of me. And it's only been since I've been "nice."

Ya catch more flies with honey than s---.

Is there any one in charge of this investigation?

Seems like a lot of information out there.

DIC.... sounds like a cave diving geochemist with a sense of humor....

"Dove Ginnie this afternoon. I saw DIC carved on the cave wall. There was also another set of initial on top and a spanish/portuguese word on the bottom. Three lines total. All appeared to have been carved at the same time. Letters were 2-3" tall and carved pretty deep (1/4" at least). " {Chimie}

Though this may sound far fetched, but next time someone passes by one of these 'DIC' 'signatures' why don't you scrape a little bit of the engraving from the clay wall into a sealable container & bring it out for DNA testing-! If this perp is this careless about what he does, than he may very well have left his 'thumb prints' in his markings. Certainely we must know somebody in a crime lab in Jax or Tallie or even @ UF's school of criminology where these scrapeings could be analized-! Just a thought.

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I've traveled the world, and in a lot of other countries, the standards of behavior are *much* different than we have here in the US of A. Many rural folks think it's entirely acceptable to throw their trash where ever. Eat a candy bar, finish it, drop the wrapper. It horrifies me, but that's the way many people operate.

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Sounds ever so slightly xenophobic. Rural people..... Maybe Xenophobic is not the right word......

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I've traveled the world, and in a lot of other countries, the standards of behavior are *much* different than we have here in the US of A. Many rural folks think it's entirely acceptable to throw their trash where ever. Eat a candy bar, finish it, drop the wrapper. It horrifies me, but that's the way many people operate.

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Sounds ever so slightly xenophobic. Rural people..... Maybe Xenophobic is not the right word......

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Actually squirrell girl is exactly right, just not the way she thought.

The last time I was at Dive Outpost, I collected 3 trash bags of trash between the Luraville Store and Dive Outpost, in about 10 minutes.

Rural people do indeed seem to make trash. Only problem is, Squirrel Girl, that good ol' US of A rural people are just as bad.

(Be careful before throwing around BS conjecture like this. Remember how everyone thought the McVie bombing was a damn furnur......)

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If what people post are to be believed, and what is being conjectured is true.... there's a good chance that the culprit(s) is(are) from another country.

I've traveled the world, and in a lot of other countries, the standards of behavior are *much* different than we have here in the US of A. Many rural folks think it's entirely acceptable to throw their trash where ever. Eat a candy bar, finish it, drop the wrapper. It horrifies me, but that's the way many people operate.

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Of course, you have to be totally firm that grafitti is completely unacceptable, and in the US, prosecutable in some cases.

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I can't believe someone who has completed training (and if they dove Peacock and Ginnie it's more than likely they have a card) that they'd be that ignorant of cave conservation.

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If what people post are to be believed, and what is being conjectured is true.... there's a good chance that the culprit(s) is(are) from another country.

I've traveled the world, and in a lot of other countries, the standards of behavior are *much* different than we have here in the US of A. Many rural folks think it's entirely acceptable to throw their trash where ever. Eat a candy bar, finish it, drop the wrapper. It horrifies me, but that's the way many people operate.

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Of course, you have to be totally firm that grafitti is completely unacceptable, and in the US, prosecutable in some cases.

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This is great.

Mike, could you point this post out to Cathy? I'm sure she'll get a kick out of it since so many of these american hating types stay wth her.

Guys.... Is there a country you hate? And if so, do you spend your holidays vacationing in it?

I thought not.

Paranoia's such a wonderful thing to watch.

(Raphael - how do you feel as the furnur that posted this originally?)

Foreign, domestic, Martian.....it makes no difference. Scum is scum and anyone who would do what I saw is beneath contempt.
By the way..it wasn't just initials. This sub-human also gouged into the formation with his grubby little mitts.
Just like when I was whitewater rafting up in the mountains and saw all this graffiti spray painted on rocks and trees. These people who do this kind of stuff are vermin among us and I'm calling them out. They need to be exposed and embarrassed. They need to be shamed, shunned, and set straight on some things!!
By the way.....you people who leave cigarette butts and condom cathaters laying around should be ashamed of yourselves also. There were quite a few laying around the picnic tables at Cow.
That's just how I feel about it. I'll make no apologies. There is NO EXCUSE!! If the shoe fits you'll wear it. You know who you are!
Other than that I don't feel too strongly about it. :smt076

This whole vandalism fiasco has brought out some of the most negative aspects of our little community. Everyone is pointing fingers, injecting their own agendas/politics/grudges, and generally ensuring the only outcome is going to be one everyone is unhappy with.

I am not, I am just keeping it real :-)

Do I see a noose hanging from the live oak trees in the near future ??

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Do I see a noose hanging from the live oak trees in the near future ??

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I hope not. If this is dealt with in any way but through legal means, we're worse than the graffiti guys. I do believe it will be near impossible to actually prove who did this.

If graffiti in english turned up in a french cave, they should absolutely start thinking it's someone from out of the country. If it says "Go Steelers", they should absolutely start looking for Americans who have recently dove in the area, etc. Doesn't mean you go and do something small minded or illegal. Just evaluating the facts.

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If graffiti in english turned up in a french cave, they should absolutely start thinking it's someone from out of the country. If it says "Go Steelers", they should absolutely start looking for Americans who have recently dove in the area, etc. Doesn't mean you go and do something small minded or illegal. Just evaluating the facts.

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You have a point there.... what does DIC mean and in what language?

Crawford, EASE UP. Are all you folks in Tennessee knee-jerk? I was just having some fun here. But now, in your all-knowing wisdom, I am small minded and participate in illegal activities. It is sad that people purposely damage caves or any other natural formations but stay focused on the bad guys here.

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If graffiti in english turned up in a french cave, they should absolutely start thinking it's someone from out of the country. If it says "Go Steelers", they should absolutely start looking for Americans who have recently dove in the area, etc. Doesn't mean you go and do something small minded or illegal. Just evaluating the facts.

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You have a point there.... what does DIC mean and in what language?

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There was what looked like spanish/portugese written beneath the DIC at Ginnie. Someone needs to capture and interpret what it means before it is gone. Even then, a shrewd gringo could cough up a couple words of spanish to mislead. That's why in my opinion you don't go and lynch people. Civilization, you know.

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You have a point there.... what does DIC mean and in what language?

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as I mentioned, it could be a geochemist with a sense of humor predicting the future.....

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You have a point there.... what does DIC mean and in what language?

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as I mentioned, it could be a geochemist with a sense of humor predicting the future.....

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Hope you and Steve made it back safe from Alaska. You guys are having way too much fun (Alaska this, Nepal that.... :)

Remember, Ginnie can be accessed by river without c-card checks....so there could be open water divers in the system at anytime of the day or night.

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There was what looked like spanish/portugese written beneath the DIC at Ginnie. Someone needs to capture and interpret what it means before it is gone. Even then, a shrewd gringo could cough up a couple words of spanish to mislead. That's why in my opinion you don't go and lynch people. Civilization, you know.

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Any body stopped to think that 'DIC' was in the cave and tagged a wall..... next came another dick and wrote Spanish/Portuguese.......i.e. there are more than one perpetrator.....


I was young once and 'tagged' walls (not in caves nor in this country and over 25 yrs ago, so zealots do not need react). Thing is one person places a tag, then you 'have' to add to that. Before you know it a wall is full and you can not make heads or tails and it all looks like one person/group did it.

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.. That's why in my opinion you don't go and lynch people. Civilization, you know.

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So in this logic civilization only exists since the 60's?

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.. That's why in my opinion you don't go and lynch people. Civilization, you know.

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So in this logic civilization only exists since the 60's?

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I think Crawford thinks civilisation is a Floridian invention. Post-sixties.

...OK, end of cracks. Sorry, but I just found this recent witchhunt really funny. No forward progress here...

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.. That's why in my opinion you don't go and lynch people. Civilization, you know.

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So in this logic civilization only exists since the 60's?

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Not following ya....

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No forward progress here...

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We agree on this one :wink:

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.. That's why in my opinion you don't go and lynch people. Civilization, you know.

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So in this logic civilization only exists since the 60's?

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Not following ya....

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It was a rather mean allusion to Florida's lynchings. Apparently the last one was in the 40's though, Meng, so civilisation has existed for a little longer in Fl than you thought!

(Isn't this the second time I've had to explain one of your jokes?)

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.. That's why in my opinion you don't go and lynch people. Civilization, you know.

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So in this logic civilization only exists since the 60's?

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Not following ya....

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It was a rather mean allusion to Florida's lynchings. Apparently the last one was in the 40's though, Meng, so civilisation has existed for a little longer in Fl than you thought!

(Isn't this the second time I've had to explain one of your jokes?)

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Group hug :-D

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(Isn't this the second time I've had to explain one of your jokes?)

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Yes it is, and you are quick, up to scratch and seem to catch them well.

:-D

But this last one was more sarcasm and venom.

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(Isn't this the second time I've had to explain one of your jokes?)

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Yes it is, and you are quick, up to scratch and seem to catch them well.

:-D

But this last one was more sarcasm and venom.

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Let's drop it. I think our point was made. As Crawford said, time for a group hug! :)

Let me say that I sincerely apologize if I have insulted anyone or caused any bad feelings by my comments. At first I was a bit defensive, but when I saw that several people took offense, it hit me what was happening.

I grew up in a mixed racial community (where I was actually a minority) and now my closest circle of friends are of mixed race and culture as well. They are predominantly African American and Hispanic, and being we are a small church group I consider them more family than friends, our children play together, we meet in my home, etc. so I did think the reaction was off base (as it was directed toward me). I thought that my comments about the relation of the foreign language to the possibility of it being someone of foreign origin (with a couple specific examples) was analytical and wouldn't cause offense. I thought wrong.

I'm probably guilty of being very matter of fact about race, as it is not a sensitive subject among my friends and family, but I forget that others don't live in that environment.

Let me say that it horrifies me that I've caused bad feelings, anger, or even stirred up hostile feelings in anyone. On the other side of the country and I think even in a foreign country. There was an insulting response directed at me that has been deleted and hopefully most of you didn't read. I contacted that person and we agreed to meet and shake hands over the holidays. I"ve asked the moderators to delete my comments. Again, I sincerely apologize for any bad feeling I"ve caused. Feel free to PM me anytime if anyone would like to talk further.

I for one was not insulted and did not take offense, or see anything offensive. But then I know crawford personally and yes he is a bit on the milque-toast side. so if you took offense, rest assured it was totally unintentional.

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I wouldn't worry about it Crawford. Some people are just uppity and have anger management issues............as some of my posts will attest :-D

Maybe you should privately send that information to Kelly Jessop who is handling this matter rather than posting it on CDF for everyone to see and make assumptions?

Relax,

I wasn't trying to offend anyone, just sharing info. I accused noone!

Maybe you have better info?

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Maybe you should privately send that information to Kelly Jessop who is handling this matter rather than posting it on CDF for everyone to see and make assumptions?

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I sent Mike E. a PM asking him to do this exact thing...I hope he does.

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I sent Mike E. a PM asking him to do this exact thing...I hope he does.

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PM Sent to Kelly.

BTW Mike, next time, give me a chance to copy and paste my message before you blow it out. I'm getting older, and my memory's not what it used to be :?

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I'm getting older, and my memory's not what it used to be :?

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Apparently so...you already told me once in a PM

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I'm getting older, and my memory's not what it used to be :?

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Apparently so...you already told me once in a PM

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I PM'd you? :-D :-D