Peacock defaced too

I understand from an instructor we have staying with us that there is new writing in Peacock as well.

The guys that saw the damage in Cow compared notes. It's the same lettering, same guy(s).

Hopefully the Rusty/Eric team or James will get pictures up of the damage in Cow soon.

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DEMA was going on this past weekend, drew a lot of people in from all over the country if not the world.

Make a mental note of who you ran into this past week, no finger pointing, dosen't mean it wasn't somebody that lives here, just store it in your memory banks.

Did you see anybody with bolt cutters in their car/truck amongst all the dive gear? Dosen't mean they are the culprits but it certainly puts them on the short list.

Are there initials D I C , do these letters mean anything to them? Their initials, their girlfriends initials, their dog? Who the F knows, maybe they were trying to spell dick but too damn stupid to spell it right, but it's significant to them in some way. The same three letters were carved in both caves.

Maybe it's someone who just uses that word alot, keep your ears open.

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Originally Posted by mmcauliffe

I understand from an instructor we have staying with us that there is new writing in Peacock as well.

The guys that saw the damage in Cow compared notes. It's the same lettering, same guy(s).

Hopefully the Rusty/Eric team or James will get pictures up of the damage in Cow soon.

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DEMA was going on this past weekend, drew a lot of people in from all over the country if not the world.

Make a mental note of who you ran into this past week, no finger pointing, dosen't mean it wasn't somebody that lives here, just store it in your memory banks.

Did you see anybody with bolt cutters in their car/truck amongst all the dive gear? Dosen't mean they are the culprits but it certainly puts them on the short list.

Are there initials D I C , do these letters mean anything to them? Their initials, their girlfriends initials, their dog? Who the F knows, maybe they were trying to spell dick but too damn stupid to spell it right, but it's significant to them in some way. The same three letters were carved in both caves.

Maybe it's someone who just uses that word alot, keep your ears open.

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The non solo rule at Peacock is pretty well enforced. I just don't see how a team could have done that together. Although it could be easy for the last team member to write something down without the first guy noticing. I think anyone that got caught diving solo or attempted to dive solo recently should be looked at at.

Imagine my pleasure catching them in the act of defacing the cave.

a)Do we have a legal fund and bailbondsman account set up for members of the CDF?

b) Would their medical expenses and/or burial costs be covered under DAN?

c) Would anyone on this forum mind if I kept their gear?

a) No, but I'll pitch in.

b) Hopefully not. Just toss 'em off a tailgate in the sticks somewhere.

c) Go for it. Hell, I'll even pay for a trophy for you.

Valve shutdown drill? :twisted:

Let's turn this one, nope still writing.
Let's try this one, nope still writing.
What about this one? Hey, they stopped.

Should I have turned the others back on before turning them all off?
Can't remember, been too long since class.
Oh well, they stopped.

I wouldn't go THAT far, but a no mask exit swim would send a message.
Or at least let Janet and the Peacock staff have their way with them.

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Are there initials D I C , do these letters mean anything to them? Their initials, their girlfriends initials, their dog?

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Mike this is really bad. To intentionally deface the caves for some sick purpose, I hope doesn't indicate the types of new cave divers we are now certifying. The letters you described almost seem like a gang thing...just my thoughts.

I'm a brand new Intro to Cave diver - the only thing I can say is I would never do something like this. I hope most old and new cave divers would feel the same. Which I think is very true - as these events are rare. Unfortunately a few bad apples can do a lot of damage.

Where is the damage located in PSSP?

That may also be helpful information to us in identification of the culprits.

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Where is the damage located in PSSP?

That may also be helpful information to us in identification of the culprits.

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I believe that it was between P1 and olsen on the main gold line. I remember seeing some damage last sunday and thought to myself "who the hell did This!!" Although it could be between Olsen and crossover, I don't remember exactly.

Would anyone have a problem if I decided to get a little clay and tried to repair it very carefully?

D.I.C. Diver In Cave.

a message to a buddy from one open water diver to another?

D. I. C. Death in Caves.

a warning to all those foolish enough?



-skip

I hate to say it but I was teaching in OG today and one of my students saw the same letters in the floor right where the line goes up and then hangs a left.....

Safe diving,

Rich

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Where is the damage located in PSSP?

That may also be helpful information to us in identification of the culprits.

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I believe that it was between P1 and olsen on the main gold line. I remember seeing some damage last sunday and thought to myself "who the hell did This!!" Although it could be between Olsen and crossover, I don't remember exactly.

Would anyone have a problem if I decided to get a little clay and tried to repair it very carefully?

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You are not referring to the two depressions (looks like someone was there praying or something) in the crossover tunnel are you??? They are about 4-5" deep in the silt on the Olsen end of the crossover passage.

I can tell you the state would not be to kind to someone defacing the cave, I hope someone who knows what they are doing erased what they wrote.
Janet

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The non solo rule at Peacock is pretty well enforced. I just don't see how a team could have done that together. Although it could be easy for the last team member to write something down without the first guy noticing. I think anyone that got caught diving solo or attempted to dive solo recently should be looked at at.

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hey Raphael,

Why do you say this? I actually think that the opposite is true - that it's much more likely to have been a team. A couple of teens (mentally if not chronologically) acting like a pair of dumb schoolkids, egging each other on.

I just don't want us getting issues confused. Please let's not have THIS offered as a reason to ban solo diving at various places.

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hey Raphael,

Why do you say this? I actually think that the opposite is true - that it's much more likely to have been a team. A couple of teens (mentally if not chronologically) acting like a pair of dumb schoolkids, egging each other on.

I just don't want us getting issues confused. Please let's not have THIS offered as a reason to ban solo diving at various places.

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Good point. I didn't see it this way when I posted. I was saying that because my cave buddies would hang me if I were to do something like that. It was stupid of me to assume that everyone hangs out with good buddies. Two dumbasses together or not together is still two dumbasses.

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I can tell you the state would not be to kind to someone defacing the cave, I hope someone who knows what they are doing erased what they wrote.
Janet

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Do you know what punishment the law would allow?

Would it be possible to have their gear taken away and jail time? or at the very least heavy heavy fines and lots of community service?

Jail time and gear taken away prefered.

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I can tell you the state would not be to kind to someone defacing the cave, I hope someone who knows what they are doing erased what they wrote.
Janet

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Do you know what punishment the law would allow?

Would it be possible to have their gear taken away and jail time? or at the very least heavy heavy fines and lots of community service?

Jail time and gear taken away prefered.

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You are dreaming there. Unless they were caught on video or by more than one witness (and even there) nothing can be done to prove it's them. The best course of action is that their identities be known to the community.

I really doubt we will ever know for sure who did it. We might come out with a few suspects but no way to know if it's really them.

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Do you know what punishment the law would allow?

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Class 1 misdemeanor punishable by up to 1 year in jail. I'm sure the park system can add other punishment like banned from the park.

Can you imagine the type of crap the vandal would catch if the cave community posted pictures of the cave offender?
Post picture in the LDS's, cut off his ability to buy gas.

Oh yeah............... 8)

We have DIC in the clay in five areas of the cave, I have some full cave divers and instructors trying to smooth them out, unfortunately we had a solo diver here Monday. I'm talking to park management about it this afternoon.
Janet

Wasn't DIR DIC (Doing It Correct) before they changed it....hey, I'm just askin'

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Can you imagine the type of crap the vandal would catch if the cave community posted pictures of the cave offender?
Post picture in the LDS's, cut off his ability to buy gas.

Oh yeah............... 8)

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That would be great too, even if we can't get legal action taken banning them from the shops to buy gas would be a GREAT step.

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Wasn't DIR DIC (Doing It Correct) before they changed it....hey, I'm just askin'

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ROFLMAO! :-D Or I would be if I weren't so pissed off and sickened by this. Well, maybe I need a good laugh, so ROFLMAO! :-D

Now that I'm done laughing, have gotten up off the floor and replaced my ass; I wish that I had something profound and productive to say on this issue, but the only thing I can come up with is that the offender(s) if identified should be beaten to a bloody pulp with a rusty shovel.

Vandals of any sort are often difficult to identify and difficult to prosecute. I earnestly hope that he (she, they, it, as the case may be) are caught and dealt with severely by the law, but I am not optimistic that this will happen.

In any population there's a small percentage of miscreants who enjoy defacing or destroying the very thing that makes their recreation possible.
Thus we have hunters and hikers who leave trash in the woods, fishermen and canoeists who throw their trash in the rivers and lakes, and cave divers who deface the caves. As a hunter, hiker, fisherman, canoeist, and cave diver, this infuriates me (and I'm pretty damn hard to infuriate!). I can only hope that such people can in some way be subjected to Darwinian selection. (maybe with a rusty shovel!)

Mike