Im looking to purchase 2 sets of regs (Din) for my sidemount configuration. I live in the Daytona area but will be at Ginnie springs sunday Dec. 17th, if anyone has something that im looking for and would like to possibly meet there. Thanks! 8)
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Im looking to purchase 2 sets of regs (Din) for my sidemount configuration. I live in the Daytona area but will be at Ginnie springs sunday Dec. 17th, if anyone has something that im looking for and would like to possibly meet there. Thanks! 8)
how much do you what to spend????
PM SENT !
Well I'd like to be getting a really good deal on w.e. I wind up purchasing. I'm a college student so funds couldn't be tighter... But let me know what you guys got, I cant say theres a specific figure in mind, that being said no price is too low!
I have just sold four regs, but have two more left. They might be more than you want. They are Poseidon Odin/Jetstreams. $500 each new, I have two complete setups, 300BAR DIN, with yoke adaptors, etc. $350 for the pair, Shipping included.Quote:
Originally Posted by drew47000000
Again, you might be looking for something cheaper, but these are availible.
Thanks and good luck in your search.
Hans471
a.k.a John Hatton in Cincinnati Ohio
PM sent on the $350 pair. Anyone else with a setup that might work for me please send pictures to Drew47000000@cfl.rr.com , It will be the best way to get ahold of me the fastest. Thanks for all your responses thus far!
Andrew
You could look at the salvo regs if youre looking for decent brand new regs cheap. I think they are $250 for 1st/2nd stage new. Im pretty sure thats gonna be the next regs i buy...
Or you could get high performance regs used for about half of that.
I just bought a Scubapro Mark 5/G-250 off eBay for $51. After rebuilding it and installing new parts and a new hose, I'll be selling it for about $120. (Yes, it's spoken for.) And it will outperform everything on the market except the top-line Scubapro and Atomic Aquatics.
I'm considering starting to buy some of these older high-end regs off eBay, refurbishing them, and then selling them here on the Gear Exchange. I'm sure a lot of people would like to get twice the performance for half the money.
You've said it Sludge!! As a matter of fact I'd really prefer some of the Scuba pro Mark's...
Something to give some thought to is that some 1st stages provide better hose routing than others.Quote:
Originally Posted by drew47000000
I do not know much about the older scuba pro first stages. Why are they better? Why would a Mark 5 be better than a Mk-17 or a Mk-25? Also why is this better than an AT-50?
Just got back from Ginnie this weekend, and ran into a couple Salvo Divers. In all defense of the Salvo regs, I must admit they recieved TOP KNOTCH ratings from the divers that were in the water with them. They had said they couldnt wait to purchase another set, and at $250 a set with any hose length you want, its pretty hard to turn down. Not to mention, your starting FRESH REGS WITH WARRNTY!! Lets just say Im leaning towards those at the moment, any feedback regarding that idea would be greatly appreciated!
Golem Gear in Tampa has Oxycheq regs for sale for $190 that look identical to the salvo ones.
http://www.golemgear.com/pc-283-18-o...lator-kit.aspx
Also Scuba toys has a ScubaMax regulation for $ 219.00 with free shipping and 10% off if you are a member of Scubaboard. Again these look identical to the Salvo ones.
http://www.divesports.com/mall/scubamax_reg_RG2008.asp
Both the Oxycheq and Salvo Regs look similar to the Dive Rites. Perhaps they are all made at the same factory in China. ??
One thing that I do know about my next regulator purchase is that if the company that makes them won't sell me kits and parts so that I can maintain and repair my own reg I ain't buying it. Period! I'm sick of sending my Scubapros and Poseidons in for maintenance to an "Authorized Dealer" and having them not be right. I trust myself with maintaining my own life support gear than I do some stranger.
I'm leaning towards the Dive Rites but the Salvo and Oxycheqs have peaked my interest.
Hey Mr. Sludge, You seem to know your regs . Any thoughts on this?
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Originally Posted by Caveranger
Any decent lawyer will tell you why they don't just sell the parts to anyone. Can you spell "Liability?"
Hook up with a dealer. Go to the service schools and learn how to do this stuff. Then you can get the parts you need.
Comparing high performance regulators to budget regulators is difficult. I used to sell car stereo, and when someone asked why they should spend a thousand bucks on a new system when the factory unit sounded fine to them, I said don't. If what you have sounds fine to you, you would be wasting your money.
But when someone gets used to a high fidelity system, a factory unit just won't do.
The same goes with regs. I have a friend who has a G-250 and an R-190, and it doesn't matter to him one bit what he's breathing. I, on the other hand, once put an R-190 on an O2 bottle, and after breathing for about a minute, switched back to my backgas, doubling my deco time. I'd rather breathe a good reg for ten minutes than a piece of crap for five.
As far as comparing the Mark 5 to a 17 or a 25, it's going to be a half step below the 25, but better than the 17. A piston is going to give you higher flow. The ONLY reason to use the Mark 17 is if you're diving in freezing water or sewage. The reason the Mark 5/G-250 combo I mentioned is so good is that it's the older model G-250, not the G-250HP. Apeks? Not in the ballpark.
Caveranger, if you can't find kits you aren't looking very hard. Apply yourself!
Also, I believe all of those regs mentioned are made in France, not China. And nobody's going to buy a new reg and then tell you it doesn't breathe great. I don't think they're lying, they just have never owned a high performance regulator.
If something happened to all my regulators and I had to replace them all, what would I get? Either used stuff from the 1990s from Scubapro off eBay, or if I were buying new, Atomic Aquatics. They're the only thing that compares to the Scubapros
You could probably call Phil at Scubatoys and ask what companies use the same design as the Scuba Max. Scubatoys is a regular dive shop and an authorized Diverite dealer. I think they are in Dallas, if memory serves me correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caveranger
according to my local dive shop, the company making Dive Rite's regs is the same company using the same design on 3 or 4 regs!! Including Salvo and another one or two I cannot recall. That being said, who wouldnt mind a set of regs that are basically dive rite's at practically half the price. IMO those DR regs are pretty darn good quality and for $250 a pop, I think its almost a no brainer....
I know what the stated reasons are but by claiming it's a liability issue and using that as an argument then by the same token I shouldn't be able to buy brake pads, calipers, or other auto parts either.Quote:
Originally Posted by hans471
So as a DIYer I can work on my own car, airplane, etc. but maintaining my own regulator is some sort of liability issue?
To quote Dr. Evil "Riiight".
I think it has as much to do with controlling their market as liability concerns. Otherwise none of the reg manufacturers would sell parts and we all know that some do. Maybe they have better lawyers.
I have managed to wheel and deal myself into some spare parts but I'd really just like to be able to purchase them without going through a hassle. Yes. I consider Ebay a hassle.
It's all about personal responsibility and free markets. It's my responsibility to maintain my own equipment and do it correctly. If a dive equipment manufacturer sets restrictions on how and when they will sell their products and replacement parts then I have the choice to do business elsewhere. Why this isn't an "Anti-trust" issue though is a mystery to me.
Until then can I just mail my Mk 25's up to you Sludge? For a modest fee and a case of beer of course :-D
You know, I just have to chime in here - regs are something I feel pretty strongly about.
I own 5 Apeks ATX 200, an XTX 200, and about 6 or 7 Aqualung Titan LX's. Ive used hem on reasonably complex dives, over 300 feet deep and (in different dives) over 3 hours. I also like tinkering so I've had all in pieces
The apeks's suck. I am absolutely sick and tired of replacing the HP seat on the first stage. Many others have had this problem. So my suggestion is, avoid those! I keep $200 in tools ad another $200 n spare parts in Florida and in LA just to keep these delicate little prima donna's breathing.
OTOH, the Aqualung Titan is incredible, and highly underrated. Many scuba rentals use these rigs - they're indestructible, never need rebuilds, and hold IP and LP appropriately after hundreds - thousands - of uses. And when you do rebuild them (IF -one of mine is over 3 years old and has never been opened) they're easy to work on. I've used one at 300 feet - it breathed better than my Apeks.
Overall, I'm beginning to think that one should use relatively simple, low tech regs for tech diving. More durable, less to go wrong. The Diverite/Oxycheq/Salvo regs seem to be in that territory. But see if you can get a deal on the Aqualungs, perhaps second hand on Scubaboard or Ebay - those are seriously the Jeep Wrangler of regulators. Cheap and go anywhere.
Slightly separate note - most dealers will let you have reg rebuild kits if you just build up a decent relationship with them. I have 4 sources - none hassle me.
Yup, and say what you want about the Odins being ancient P.O.S.'s, they are reliable and you can flip the second stages over, which eliminates a lot of hose routing headaches for sidemounting. You can score them on e-bay for good prices if you are vigilent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelly Jessop
"I know what the stated reasons are but by claiming it's a liability issue and using that as an argument then by the same token I shouldn't be able to buy brake pads, calipers, or other auto parts either. "
So as a DIYer I can work on my own car, airplane, etc. but maintaining my own regulator is some sort of liability issue? "
Well, everyone has their own oppinions. And yes, you can buy parts to fix your own car. Those companies do get sued but they sell enough volumn to cover their liability insurance and still make a profit. On the other hand, some Scuba companies have gone under due to some large settlements against them. When someone dies the families go after the companies big time. People I have meet in the industry over the years have told of fighting lawsuits over wrongful death suits in the millions of dollars over any number of seemingly little things. When you are a billion dollar company you can afford this. Many Scuba companies just don't have that deep of pockets. They figure why expose themselves to the risk when one suit can put them out of business. Fact is there have been several diving related companies that went under that way over the years. Others, some very well known, have cancled products after their insurance companies told them what they would have to pay to get liability coverage.
An individual in our country has the right to have any oppinion they choose. You may agree or disagree with anyone you wish, right or wrong. You can take your business anywhere you wish. A company has the right to make policy on their products as they are the ones who have the liability exposure and end up paying out millions when someone screws up and kills themselves.
If I was manufacturing regs or any other product that someone could conviently kill themselves with I would think real hard about selling parts to just anyone. I make five or ten bucks profit per kit and I sell a few thousand of them a year. So, for a profit of a few thousand bucks I risk a lawsuit that can cost me millions and put me out of business. Not a good business decision for me!
Autozone does a little bigger volumn than that so they can afford the insurance and the lawyers to fight their battles. Not only that, there are so many sources of training and manuals to help you fix your car, Autozone can slide by on that defence. Its a bit harder to find a repair manual or independent training course for dive gear overhaul.
I have been in the business world for many years and have to teach this stuff to my students. In the world of business liability is a MAJOR issue. One may disagree with this and think its something else, but its a big deal when one lawsuit can shut your doors. American companies today spend more money on fighting lawsuits than they do on new product development. Its the world we Americans have chosen to live in.
Oh, and in the twenty five years I have been a pilot, the FAA puts some very strict limits on what work I can do on my own airplane UNLESS I built the plane myself. Othewise, there is very little I am actually permitted to do. The vast majority of the work has to be done by an FAA certified mechanic. And, the cost of product liability insurance nearly killed the production of small planes in the US until congress finally enacted some liability limits for the manufacturers. Even with that the cost of a small private aircraft went skyhigh over liabilty insurance costs. (ask Piper Aircraft Company about this). Liabilty is a MAJOR issue in decision making in the business world.
Its a free country. We can agree or disagree with anyone we wish and a company can have any policy they wish. If we don't agree with theirs, then we can take our money somewhere else.
This doesn't really belong in this forum, but since it was brough up...