Why posting is good

Ok, so this comes up frequently online and offline I'd like to point out why it's a net positive when people post stuff.

One of the issues in tech and cave diving is IMHO that people tend to live just within their little group or clique or whatever you wanna call it. These groups (which most of us are in some group) often form around a instructor or shop. They're often either all fans of a certain brand or agency (specifically GUE comes to mind) or a configuration (like the super annoying the sidemount fan boys).

Now, in all these groups, there seem to have some accepted truths... which are more or less BS and when you asked people for their resoning, you can't get an answer because they have just accepted what they wer told by the "best" instructor ever.

I think this applies mostly to newer divers that haven't been around for more than 3 - 5 years. People seem to get more open as they in it form longer.

Getting back to posting. When people outside of you're little group post stuff it at least gives you an opportunity to hear something from a different angle. That's good. You might not take advantage of that opportunity, but it's still a good thing to have.

For that reason alone IMHO, posting is good for the sport of tech and cave diving. If some people are too lazy to think about other view points and try to follow peoples reasoning, they should just stay within their little group.

I'm a super anoying sidemount fan boy, now with enhanced sidwinder ccr capabilities.

The term “group think” comes to mind. I recall it being discussed around the time a diver passed away while trying to set a depth record.

I like it


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Originally Posted by flymolo

The term “group think” comes to mind. I recall it being discussed around the time a diver passed away while trying to set a depth record.

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Yeah, Doc Deep. That's actually a pretty good example. Had he talked to some people outside of his little local group and taken other people's opinion seriously, he probably would still be around.

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Originally Posted by flymolo

The term “group think” comes to mind.

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Its only as good as the group that is thinking.

If posting is good, I think posting with pretty pictures is gooder.
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I like gooder!


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I would agree with the OP's point. Keep it civil, people, and all is good.

I wish there was more posting but I think the world has moved to Facebook groups. Half the time I go to write a lengthy response to something I end up deleting my response before I even post it for fear that it's going to piss someone off (unintentionally) or I'm going to berated in public for *gasp* not knowing the answer to something. I feel like people used to be more willing to debate and exchange ideas. Most people don't post now for fear of ridicule these days.

Everyone knows fastest way to find out if you're wrong is to post something on the Internet that somebody disagrees with or alternatively post the wrong answer and somebody will come along and angrily and smugly correct your wrong "opinion."

I agree. Sometimes it?s fun to post then sit back at wait for the show to begin.


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Originally Posted by macado

I wish there was more posting but I think the world has moved to Facebook groups. Half the time I go to write a lengthy response to something I end up deleting my response before I even post it for fear that it's going to piss someone off (unintentionally) or I'm going to berated in public for *gasp* not knowing the answer to something. I feel like people used to be more willing to debate and exchange ideas. Most people don't post now for fear of ridicule these days.

Everyone knows fastest way to find out if you're wrong is to post something on the Internet that somebody disagrees with or alternatively post the wrong answer and somebody will come along and angrily and smugly correct your wrong "opinion."

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Agree. I think the whole thing of calling people ?internet divers? or ?dive more post less? is a big part of it. In the past year or so I see alot more people choosing to just say those things to shut down someone?s opinion rather than having an actual discussion about it. The dive more post less just annoys me because i do about a dive a week. I dont have the luxury to dive 3 times a week as I?d like, so posting here and other places fill the void when I want a distraction from work. I think the past year of people being stuck at home has made the issue worse


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Originally Posted by macado

I wish there was more posting but I think the world has moved to Facebook groups. Half the time I go to write a lengthy response to something I end up deleting my response before I even post it for fear that it's going to piss someone off (unintentionally) or I'm going to berated in public for *gasp* not knowing the answer to something. I feel like people used to be more willing to debate and exchange ideas. Most people don't post now for fear of ridicule these days.

Everyone knows fastest way to find out if you're wrong is to post something on the Internet that somebody disagrees with or alternatively post the wrong answer and somebody will come along and angrily and smugly correct your wrong "opinion."

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You?re wrong!!!

Now get back to work and quit wasting your time on social media.


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Originally Posted by Draker

You?re wrong!!!

Now get back to work and quit wasting your time on social media.

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I'm always right on the Internet. I dare you to post more cave photos.

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Originally Posted by bent

One of the issues in tech and cave diving is IMHO that people tend to live just within their little group or clique or whatever you wanna call it.

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To be fair, it's like that for just about everything, not just cave diving. And with widespread use of social media it's gotten a hell of a lot worse. With everyone getting a platform to spout their "truths", you can now choose the truth you like best and ignore the others. Which is great for avoiding those pesky cognitive dissonances.

I greatly appreciate all who post their adventures and opinions of equipment/events. Up here in the "Great White North" I am isolated from the cave community. And between Covid lockdowns, and working 4 days a week for Erie County Health Dept (I'm supposed to be @#$% retired!), I dearly miss the caves and the cave community style of life.

Please keep posting, reading your posts is one of the "happy times" of my day.

Now... about this whole back mount vs side mount thing? Or have we moved on to OC vs CCR?

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Originally Posted by mrki

And with widespread use of social media it's gotten a hell of a lot worse. With everyone getting a platform to spout their "truths", you can now choose the truth you like best and ignore the others. Which is great for avoiding those pesky cognitive dissonances.

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No, it's not getting worse. The whole point was that's a net positive to have social media. I started diving in 97 and there was no social media and hardly any useful internet. Now you have access to much more information and other few points you can think about. Doesn't mean you have to believe everything.

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Originally Posted by gschaut

Now... about this whole back mount vs side mount thing? Or have we moved on to OC vs CCR?

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Side mount for sure! [emoji41]
I like both OC and CCR but when I finally go side mount CCR I may never go back to OC ;)


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OC Sidemount for me. Comfort thing.


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Originally Posted by sam

Side mount for sure! [emoji41]
I like both OC and CCR but when I finally go side mount CCR I may never go back to OC ;)


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Dont bet on it. I hated cc sidemount


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Originally Posted by sam

Side mount for sure! [emoji41]
I like both OC and CCR but when I finally go side mount CCR I may never go back to OC ;)

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I've been diving sidemount for 10 years but I wouldn't get a sm ccr (when I can travel again for training). Don't like any of the units I have seen and I don't know how you would carry enough BO with a sm ccr for what I want the ccr for.

I wouldn't dive sidemount just for the hell of it.

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Originally Posted by bent

I've been diving sidemount for 10 years but I wouldn't get a sm ccr (when I can travel again for training). Don't like any of the units I have seen and I don't know how you would carry enough BO with a sm ccr for what I want the ccr for.

I wouldn't dive sidemount just for the hell of it.

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The sidewinder allows for decent bailout since you have 2 normal sm bottles and can easily carry a stage or two. The units like the sidekick or liberty do limit you some to one sm tank, then stages. Great trim and adequate sm bailout were the two things I actually liked about the sw. I won't go into what I didn't like.


I dove sm for 10 years, but have actually been getting back in to bm and loving it more than sm for it's ease and simplicity. My main issue with bm 10-12 years ago when I started down the technical path was my intro to tech instructor was a big prooponent of the halcyon cinch system, so I went with that. Because I was tightening and adjusting the shoulder straps constantly, every time I dove my tanks were sitting in a different spot and it was frustrating. I've since dithced the cinch and have fallen in love with bm again. You'll be happy to know I've only dove my stealth twice in the past almost 2 years.

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Originally Posted by rddvet

The sidewinder allows for decent bailout since you have 2 normal sm bottles and can easily carry a stage or two. The units like the sidekick or liberty do limit you some to one sm tank, then stages. Great trim and adequate sm bailout were the two things I actually liked about the sw. I won't go into what I didn't like.

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What I don't like about the sidewinder is that it look very flimsy and cheaply made. They're innovative and that I like but I don't know why they are not using better quality materials. There also seems to be a lot of hype about that unit and when you asked about certain things, the fans get super defensive... that's fishy to me.
A guy over here basically ripped off the sidekick with some improvements and higher quality materials ... don't know why kiss doesn't use better materials.

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Originally Posted by Diverlee

OC Sidemount for me. Comfort thing.

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Same here. I do go to back mount on ocean dives though...

Diver's gangs assemble around gurus because this country mentality is commercialized. It is simple marketing. People need to relax sometimes and look at it from a sky, be honest and open to new knowledge. On-topic.

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Originally Posted by bent

What I don't like about the sidewinder is that it look very flimsy and cheaply made. They're innovative and that I like but I don't know why they are not using better quality materials. There also seems to be a lot of hype about that unit and when you asked about certain things, the fans get super defensive... that's fishy to me.
A guy over here basically ripped off the sidekick with some improvements and higher quality materials ... don't know why kiss doesn't use better materials.

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All I will say on here is that I went into the sw class being told by everyone how awesome it was and I had high hopes. Was underwhelmed on day 1(build quality is pretty crappy and that was part of it) and continued disliking it through the class. Once I was done with class and started talking to sw users, suddenly they started being honest about some of the negatives and agreeing with my opinions. Though they wouldn't be honest before I took the class. Also, the majority of people who I've discussed the sw with that are hardcore fans have never dove another unit.

If you want my full review, do a search on scubaboard. My review/comments were met with good discussion over there. I honestly don't think it would go as well here.

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Originally Posted by rddvet

If you want my full review, do a search on scubaboard.

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I'll look for it. Do you know how long ago you posted that?