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Here's some of the glory markers that were removed from Cow this weekend during the relining project. Please claim your markers...initials that could be made out:
TFP
ARY
DN
WJ
BAURLE
LAIRD
BK
SP
DSM
http://cavediver.net/photopost/data/504/P4090065.JPG
They should teach in the class to NOT leave a glory marker in a cave.
What's the point? If the line keeps going, then you have not made it anywhere special... :roll:
Obviously, marking a circut or marking a jump for later "visit" is fine... but arrows left for 1yr or more are just glory markers and simply clutter the line.
why dont you tell them about the Irvine glory marker you found right before the second restriction :-D
If you drill a hole in the tip and let the kids paint them they make nice Christmas ornaments. Sometimes you can clean them up enough to re-use them. While I rarely get motivated enough to take them off lines I have been known to snap up a floater now and then. Cindy :D
You mean you didn't write down the distances at which these markers were found? Slacker....Quote:
Originally Posted by MilFalcon
Why not? I personally used mine to mark the point of interest (i left it a month ago) for my next dive. I support though periodic line markers harvesting if it would be organized and cavers community timely informed like in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tegg
Talking about Cow lines i would be more concern that some jumps are placed too close to the mainline, it would be easy to miss the 3ft jump and find yourself in the side tunnel especially if cave visitor is not familiar with system. Also i would suggest to make a gap in NotMyFault dropdown restriction, this way there will be no risk of entaglement in that restriction and it will keep the line more secure, IMHO.
P.S. you can recycle my marker i dont care.
I have been through not my fault many times and have never found the line to be an entanglement hazard.Quote:
Originally Posted by ARY
The mainline is now gold line to max penetration. Just like most popular cave systems if you should find your self on any other line other than gold line,then this should alert you. Thank you for your suggestions.Quote:
Originally Posted by ARY
HA! Picked up (3) floaters in one spot in Peacock yesterday, all from different people. I think I'm going to retile the guest bathroom with all the floaters I've found.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cindy
Hiya Kelly!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelly Jessop
Does the gold line split at the Y (about 1900' or so) so both sides have gold line?
Thank you and the other volunteers very much for doing this :)
Safe diving,
Rich
Joe,
Best guess to your question as to how far they were in: ( and why )
TFP – 453’ ( done with extra stage)
ARY -52’ (turned due to amount of deco time buildup)
DN -73.8’ (turned cause is was just too darn dark in there )
WJ -218’ ( gave marker to buddy to place )
BAURLE – 14’ ( used garden hose hookah )
LAIRD -0 ( tossed marking in water when system was siphoning )
BK – 666’ ( ate at BK that day )
SP -365’ ( took a whole year to get that far )
DSM -834’ ( A.K.A…..BHH)
( sorry if these are any ones on the board, just having a little fun )
Kelly,
Great job on the relining. Did you guys work on the ski rope as well?
I usually put one on the line every time I take a leak! :D
Normally you will never find it a risk before you will get entangled. try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Titen
There are many places in small cave where the line is close to your body.Quote:
Originally Posted by ARY
What if there were 3 teams in Cow Upstream (have seen it happen) and there were 3 gap lines run through the Not My Fault restriction? Would that be safer?
The current way the line is run through not may fault is fine for anyone with good line awareness and who simply "guides" the line with his/her hand.
As for the jumps off of the mainline in Cow, there are not that many and the line for them is now EASY to tell if it is not the mainline, both by visual reference and by feel. The mainline is now much thicker kermantle and not the standard 24 or 18 line that was back there.
The relining of Cow has been planned for quite sometime. It was decided that with new line going in it was a good time to remove some of the placed markers that had obviously been in the cave for quite some time.
I think Lee was merely posting this to have people contact him in order to get their arrows back and also to inform those that the arrows had been removed in case someone had expected them to still be there.
Ary, your point of intrest was about 1550ft into the cave, which will be easy to find now with the new markers every 100ft in the cave. I remember it because I knew that it was yours and that I knew who you were.
This is much better subj. Joe. I would rather switch topic to play the "what if" game for this cave since i know that Cow upstream is now visited by people two hours after they completed "full cave" class. IMHO both NotMyFault and the entrance duckunder restrictions are dangerous if you think about several unexperienced teams dealing with "stuck in restriction", "entangled and stuck in restriction", "shared air and entangled in restriction", etc. How about "entangled, in restriction, dropped second stage, swallowed couple times and lost consciousness" leaving another team beyond? Any way is it safe to have two teams beyond NotMyFault at the same time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tegg
I'm not saying that line should be gaped in both restrictions i'm just speculating about possible scenarios to make sure that i shared what my sick imagination painted to me. Both restrictions normally (when system is diveable) have a high flow and gravel-sandy bottom, so silting even if occurs would be a momentary event. Do you see what i mean? Not familiar with cave might stop, never find a continuation, and return which might be in their best interest.
I'm happy to hear that and thank you guys for your efforts, i hope to go and enjoy the new line soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tegg
What about the cookie?? with DM on it??
Distance?
Thanks
I over looked the post
That is not one we found doing the work.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanMitsu