Hole In The Wall cave map - at NSS-CDS 2016!

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04-04-2016 09:50 AM
rchrds

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Hole In The Wall cave map - at NSS-CDS 2016!

The new Hole in the Wall (Jackson, County, FL) Cave map has so many new passages on it that I think people won't even recognize the cave. From 8,238 feet on the original map to 28,627 feet of surveyed passage. Thanks to Edd Sorenson and Stacy Martin at Cave Adventurers and Corey Mearns and crew at Light Monkey for the help with fills and lights over the last few years while I sketched this thing out. The first interim map will be ready for the 2016 NSS-CDS convention, and will be purchasable at Cave Adventurers after that.

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04-04-2016 09:58 AM
bent

That's great. I'll definitely buy one.
04-04-2016 10:25 AM
FW

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Originally Posted by bent

That's great. I'll definitely buy one.

Wonderful, and I am happy to see you figured out the "Image part of this forum" :-)
04-04-2016 11:25 AM
DMoore

Awesome Jason!
04-04-2016 11:26 AM
Bill Rotella

Awesome!
04-04-2016 11:27 AM
sandy

Very nice!
04-04-2016 01:58 PM
Hammerhead Ferrari

That's awesome Jason!
Baker has taken me on some of my most memorial cave dives in Hole, I will definitely be purchasing one of these to show my support and appreciation for fine cartography.
04-04-2016 02:34 PM
patpicos

Awesome. I look forward to the results and getting a copy. The old map is impossible to read the names on it..so seeing a new digitally made one will make a huge difference.

I hope the XX gets used like Hancocks map to refer to SM sections so people dont attempt SM areas in BM to keep the cave nice.
04-04-2016 02:45 PM
AJM

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Originally Posted by Hammerhead Ferrari

That's awesome Jason!
Baker has taken me on some of my most memorial cave dives in Hole, I will definitely be purchasing one of these to show my support and appreciation for fine cartography.

Bently, let me know when your going to place an order.
I will grab one as well and have Mikey mail them to us.
04-04-2016 08:41 PM
Dave

Nice work

Well Done.
Look forward to ordering this, and hanging in the man cave!
04-04-2016 11:59 PM
Hammerhead Ferrari

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Originally Posted by AJM

Bently, let me know when your going to place an order.
I will grab one as well and have Mikey mail them to us.

Will do...maybe we'll have to pick them up? Do a little map verification while we're there?
04-05-2016 07:41 AM
DarkCoffee

Road trip!!!!!
04-05-2016 10:55 AM
Hammerhead Ferrari

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Road trip!!!!!

Just another day at the office...:-D
04-05-2016 02:05 PM
AJM

We will be ready, pick us up on your next trip by.
I will pay for your fuel...(or your trucks, which ever is less) :clapper (kidding)
04-05-2016 02:12 PM
AJM

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Originally Posted by DarkCoffee

Road trip!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Hammerhead Ferrari

Just another day at the office...:-D

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Originally Posted by AJM

We will be ready, pick us up on your next trip by.
I will pay for your fuel...(or your trucks, which ever is less) :clapper (kidding)

All kidding aside....We really do need to get together for a few dives, whether locally or in CC.
DarkCoffee and I both have scooters, our local lake has many walls down to 200 ffw, center of lake goes to around 365 ffw.
Stop by......we will leave a light on.
04-05-2016 08:03 PM
Hammerhead Ferrari

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Originally Posted by AJM

All kidding aside....We really do need to get together for a few dives, whether locally or in CC.
DarkCoffee and I both have scooters, our local lake has many walls down to 200 ffw, center of lake goes to around 365 ffw.
Stop by......we will leave a light on.

I've heard about this crater in the ground...in fact I spent four days there last summer. Wish I would have had my gear along...
04-05-2016 08:56 PM
mbaker

So as to put this thread back on track for Jason have you concluded a price for this map and can you provide me estimated shipping charges to 32446 zip code?
04-06-2016 07:32 PM
rchrds

Mike- no, not yet- still figuring out how to get it printed on a nominally normal sized piece of paper. Right now looking like a double sided 24"x36" might just barely fit it, with some passage cut off and moved around. I'm not super happy about the layout- there is so much detail it doesn't shrink well, and at full scale (1"=50') the map is 9 feet square.
04-06-2016 07:44 PM
inverted_bear

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there is so much detail it doesn't shrink well, and at full scale (1"=50') the map is 9 feet square.

Damn, that's awesome!
04-06-2016 09:39 PM
bamafan

Did anyone ever push and resurvey the Marius passage? I know a year or two ago it was just a straight line when you showed me the map.
04-06-2016 10:02 PM
DMoore

how about a PDF version that we can get printed out ourselves? I'd love to have a large map!
04-06-2016 10:19 PM
patpicos

^^ i pm'd Jason earlier on this exact suggestion! If the drawings are vector based, one is free to blow up as big as wanted :)

DRM / monetization will be a challenge since everyone will share the PDF..
04-06-2016 11:51 PM
Benderr

The problem with PDF's is that they can easily be shared among folks that don't appreciate the work that went into the map. I'd actually prefer a digital map, but I don't know how the owner can distribute such, and not have it end up on every website from here to eternity.
04-06-2016 11:57 PM
Hammerhead Ferrari

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Originally Posted by rchrds

Mike- no, not yet- still figuring out how to get it printed on a nominally normal sized piece of paper. Right now looking like a double sided 24"x36" might just barely fit it, with some passage cut off and moved around. I'm not super happy about the layout- there is so much detail it doesn't shrink well, and at full scale (1"=50') the map is 9 feet square.

I'm not sure what others would think of this idea, but how about a small book layout. With the overall on the inside cover and first page with grid lines over the layout showing which page to turn to for a more detailed larger scale representation of the corresponding grid section?
I realize this would be a radical concept change from the standard cave map, but since you have gone to such great lengths in detail and cartography, perhaps this may become the new standard. Eventually improving the quality and detail of cave maps available? IMHO, this would certainly help in preparing well planned detailed dives, particularly for those who aren't local or don't get to dive on a very frequent basis.
If that doesn't sound feasible, what about making a "laminated folding map" much like the old state and city highway maps we used before GPS?
Just spitballing ideas...
04-07-2016 11:33 AM
DMoore

crap... You're right. I wonder if there is a way to work with a printer that holds the PDF and prints out the size each person wants. That would be ideal but also probably not cost effective.