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FW

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NSS-CDS Midwest Workshop

11TH Annual
NSS - CDS MIDWEST WORKSHOP
ST LOUIS, MO

Procedures • Protocols • Passages

HISTORY MAKING SPEAKERS
GREAT FOOD AND PRIZES

Social: Oct 2nd
Workshop: Oct 3rd
Location:
CJ Muggs 101 West Lockwood Ave, Webster Groves, MO 63119

Link to preregistration: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/2015-ns...ts-17887549141

Speaker list:

Mike Young – Fort Smith, AR: Team maker, and team player. He is a member of the US Deep Caving, Karst Terrain Exploration and Advanced Diver Exploration dive teams, participating in ground - breaking exploration. Owner of KISS Rebreathers, he has designed numerous products for KISS and Hollis, while constantly modifying a long list of dive equipment dedicated to extreme diving. Mike is built too push the limits of cave diving, as we know it.

Michael Angelo Gagliardi – Chicago/Florida: As master artist and diver, his list of achievements and awards continue to grow endlessly. Project and goal oriented, and most recently NSS-CDS’s Conservation Chair, Michael Angelo continues to develop his own vision for underwater art, artifact restoration and more, while participating in exploration with some of the best.

Chris Hill – Springfield, MO: Ozark Cave Diving Alliance continues to set high standards for conservation, education, and for their celebrated exploration of the Roubidoux Cave system in MO. As an active board member and diver on the team, Chris has invested a decade of service to their cause, driving home the fact that dedication to a team creates results in excellence.

Dr Pat Kambesis – Chicago, Mammoth Cave, KY: Her achievements in karst mapping are acclaimed internationally. As a “marine karst” geologist, teacher at West KY University, and explorer she’s been a member of history making cave events for decades. Pat manages operations at Hamilton Valley’s Research Facility for the Cave Research Foundation, and has partnered with Mark Wenner in coordinating all diving in Mammoth Cave, KY, and the inter-connected cave systems comprising the “longest cave in the world.”

Forrest Wilson – Atlanta, GA: A cave diving mentor to all, he has gone down in history as inventor of the cave arrow, the side - mount rebreather, plus more. Forrest is a heavy contributor to countless sump diving expeditions in TAG (TN, AL and GA) and around the world. Forrest’s dedication to the NSS- CDS as a board member is unsurpassed, as his investment of time and energy to help all who ask for it.

Mark Wenner – Nashville, TN: As the chair - person for this year’s Midwest Workshop, he resides in the center of Cave Country. As a sump diver, his experience with caving, cave diving, survey and on-rope work are the necessary disciplines. Mark is Senior Dive Officer for the National Parks Regional Dive Team – Mammoth, oversees all diving for the Cave Research Foundation’s Mammoth efforts, while coordinating State and Federal cave and dive projects with Dr. Kambesis in KY and TN.
07-23-2015 11:07 AM
Sh0use

What are good lodging options in this area? Planning on attending as I would really like to dive the caves. Decided against heading out to MO for the NSS convention due to the high flooding and such. Thanks
07-23-2015 12:45 PM
FW

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh0use

What are good lodging options in this area? Planning on attending as I would really like to dive the caves. Decided against heading out to MO for the NSS convention due to the high flooding and such. Thanks

For Roubidoux, the best place is the All Star motel in St Roberts. For Cannonball, the best place is the Super 8 in Poplar bluff. For the workshop itself, I can't say since I haven't been to that location. Sadly these places are too far apart to commute from one place. I usually dive Friday, go to the workshop Saturday, and dive Sunday on the way home. I will probably dive Rouibdoux Friday, and Cannonball Sunday.
07-23-2015 12:53 PM
FW

According to Google Maps, these are the closest motels to the workshop site:

Wayside Motel
3.6 9 reviews • Motel
7800 Watson Rd, St. Louis, MO 63119

Duplex Motel
3 reviews • Motel
7898 Watson Rd, Webster Groves, MO 63119

Chippewa Motel
2 reviews • Motel
7880 Watson Rd, Webster Groves, MO 63119
07-23-2015 05:17 PM
Kelly Jessop

Will it ever return to Poplar Bluff???
07-23-2015 05:56 PM
FW

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelly Jessop

Will it ever return to Poplar Bluff???

It would need somebody in the area to help organize it. It moved when Ed closed his shop. Actually St Louis is good, because you can dive two different sites.
07-23-2015 07:25 PM
MichaelAngelo

Quote:

Originally Posted by FW

For Roubidoux, the best place is the All Star motel in St Roberts. For Cannonball, the best place is the Super 8 in Poplar bluff. For the workshop itself, I can't say since I haven't been to that location. Sadly these places are too far apart to commute from one place. I usually dive Friday, go to the workshop Saturday, and dive Sunday on the way home. I will probably dive Rouibdoux Friday, and Cannonball Sunday.

This last trip we had a bug problem at the Star. We fumagated everything once we go home before anything went into the house. I will staying at the St Roberts Super 8 for the Robinson dives. As Forrest said Super 8 in Popular Bluff is good.
MA
07-24-2015 12:09 AM
Sh0use

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelAngelo

This last trip we had a bug problem at the Star. We fumagated everything once we go home before anything went into the house. I will staying at the St Roberts Super 8 for the Robinson dives. As Forrest said Super 8 in Popular Bluff is good.
MA

Yikes, thanks for the heads up. I'll plan on staying at the St Roberts Super 8 as well. Curious, what do you mean by Robinson dives?
07-24-2015 01:01 AM
cavekrazi

Forest, Those choices are very poor. If you are looking for good clean lodging I would not pick any of those. I live in the neighborhood. There are Drury's, Holiday Inn's, and others by the Hiways that are much better, safer, and less likely to give you something crawling into your suit case.
07-24-2015 02:45 AM
Kelly Jessop

Quote:

Originally Posted by FW

It would need somebody in the area to help organize it. It moved when Ed closed his shop. Actually St Louis is good, because you can dive two different sites.

Understand, thanks for the clarification.
Is there a list of speakers?
07-24-2015 05:41 AM
FW

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh0use

Yikes, thanks for the heads up. I'll plan on staying at the St Roberts Super 8 as well. Curious, what do you mean by Robinson dives?

I think his spell check changed Roubidoux to Robinson.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cavekrazi

Forest, Those choices are very poor. If you are looking for good clean lodging I would not pick any of those. I live in the neighborhood. There are Drury's, Holiday Inn's, and others by the Hiways that are much better, safer, and less likely to give you something crawling into your suit case.

Only going by what Google maps showed in the area. Where are the places you mentioned?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelly Jessop

Understand, thanks for the clarification.
Is there a list of speakers?

No list yet, stay tuned.
07-24-2015 11:25 AM
MichaelAngelo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh0use

Yikes, thanks for the heads up. I'll plan on staying at the St Roberts Super 8 as well. Curious, what do you mean by Robinson dives?

Spell check changed a Roubidloux to Robertson
07-27-2015 06:41 AM
cavekrazi

Quote:

Originally Posted by FW

I think his spell check changed Roubidoux to Robinson.

Only going by what Google maps showed in the area. Where are the places you mentioned?

No list yet, stay tuned.

The I44 corridor is probably the target for your stay. 44 and lindbergh has lots of choices. Holiday in probably best. Lots of eats nearby, safe, clean, close to everything. I can be more specific when you need to book. Need help just email me. t
07-27-2015 07:11 AM
FW

Quote:

Originally Posted by cavekrazi

The I44 corridor is probably the target for your stay. 44 and lindbergh has lots of choices. Holiday in probably best. Lots of eats nearby, safe, clean, close to everything. I can be more specific when you need to book. Need help just email me. t

I did a search on Google Maps for "CJ Muggs 101 West Lockwood Ave, Webster Groves, MO 63119". The 3 places I mentioned are the closest. Zooming out, I see Hilton and Drury's but they aren't cheap. There is also an Econo Lodge, and Days Inn. A lot depends on what you are willing to put up with :-)
07-27-2015 05:32 PM
cavekrazi

Quote:

Originally Posted by FW

I did a search on Google Maps for "CJ Muggs 101 West Lockwood Ave, Webster Groves, MO 63119". The 3 places I mentioned are the closest. Zooming out, I see Hilton and Drury's but they aren't cheap. There is also an Econo Lodge, and Days Inn. A lot depends on what you are willing to put up with :-)

The Econo Lodge and Days Inn would be OK. Those first three choices were
flee bags.t
07-27-2015 05:47 PM
Scuba Al

Last year driving up from Roubidloux I didn't have a reservation anywhere. Checking online (if I recall correctly) the Days Inn looked okay. Driving into the lot I just got an uneasy feeling. Seemed to be a lot of people milling around the parking lot. Don't know if there was some kind of reception going on or what, I never went in.
Instead I drove a couple of blocks north and found a Hamption Inn. More then I normally like to spend for a room but was very nice. Only about 5 miles from CJ Muggs.
Al
07-27-2015 06:06 PM
scububa

If the crowd is interested in individually sending me a note to indicate your interest and the number of nights...if I get enough idea of the numbers, I would be glad to work with some local places and see if I can get a group rate somewhere reasonable. It might require a deposit say ... 3 months out or so...
I am not sure if I'd be successful, but I am certainly willing to give it a try.
07-30-2015 02:01 PM
Sh0use

I would be interested in trying to get some sorta group rate. Or possibly sharing a room with someone if it would reduce costs? Really looking forward to diving the caves up there as well as enjoying the work shop.
08-06-2015 05:31 PM
FW

Here is a list of speakers for the Midwest Workshop. Note that there may be one more that hasn't confirmed yet.

Mike Young – Fort Smith, AR: Team maker, and team player. He is a member of the US Deep Caving, Karst Terrain Exploration and Advanced Diver Exploration dive teams, participating in ground - breaking exploration. Owner of KISS Rebreathers, he has designed numerous products for KISS and Hollis, while constantly modifying a long list of dive equipment dedicated to extreme diving. Mike is built too push the limits of cave diving, as we know it.

Michael Angelo Gagliardi – Chicago/Florida: As master artist and diver, his list of achievements and awards continue to grow endlessly. Project and goal oriented, and most recently NSS-CDS’s Conservation Chair, Michael Angelo continues to develop his own vision for underwater art, artifact restoration and more, while participating in exploration with some of the best.

Chris Hill – Springfield, MO: Ozark Cave Diving Alliance continues to set high standards for conservation, education, and for their celebrated exploration of the Roubidoux Cave system in MO. As an active board member and diver on the team, Chris has invested a decade of service to their cause, driving home the fact that dedication to a team creates results in excellence.

Dr Pat Kambesis – Chicago, Mammoth Cave, KY: Her achievements in karst mapping are acclaimed internationally. As a “marine karst” geologist, teacher at West KY University, and explorer she’s been a member of history making cave events for decades. Pat manages operations at Hamilton Valley’s Research Facility for the Cave Research Foundation, and has partnered with Mark Wenner in coordinating all diving in Mammoth Cave, KY, and the inter-connected cave systems comprising the “longest cave in the world.”

Forrest Wilson – Atlanta, GA: A cave diving mentor to all, he has gone down in history as inventor of the cave arrow, the side - mount rebreather, plus more. Forrest is a heavy contributor to countless sump diving expeditions in TAG (TN, AL and GA) and around the world. Forrest’s dedication to the NSS- CDS as a board member is unsurpassed, as his investment of time and energy to help all who ask for it.

Mark Wenner – Nashville, TN: As the chair - person for this year’s Midwest Workshop, he resides in the center of Cave Country. As a sump diver, his experience with caving, cave diving, survey and on-rope work are the necessary disciplines. Mark is Senior Dive Officer for the National Parks Regional Dive Team – Mammoth, oversees all diving for the Cave Research Foundation’s Mammoth efforts, while coordinating State and Federal cave and dive projects with Dr. Kambesis in KY and TN.
08-06-2015 11:49 PM
Sh0use

Really excited for the speakers. Can't wait! If there's anything I could help with let me know.
08-07-2015 02:25 PM
FW

Link to preregistration: http://www.eventbrite.com/e/2015-nss...ts-17887549141
08-07-2015 09:18 PM
JerseyJersey

Below was the information gathered for last years workshop. Check to make sure that it is still accurate. Dive shops open, hotels still there... maybe someone from the area can chime in here on this.

HOTELS

What hotels are in each area?

Those from out of town usually arrive Thursday night and stay at the All Star Inn in St Roberts, (573-336-3223) they have a diver discount 10% I think. It’s a great place for the price which is very reasonable. They have 1,2,3 bed rooms. It is located Also on Rt 66 E.

Driving east to west on Route 66 is the Star Motel, the 911 Station, downtown Waynesville, Odyssey Scuba, Roubidloux Springs Park
Directions

Stay in hotel near venue Fri/Sat night and then Sunday stay in Poplar Bluff Super 8

Hotels around venue

Best Western Kirkwood Inn, 1200 S Kirkwood Rd, Saint Louis, MO 63122, 314-821-3950
Howard Johnson, 1130 S Kirkwood Rd, Kirkwood, MO 63122 • (314) 965-0725
Hampton Inn, 1580 S Kirkwood Rd, Saint Louis, MO 63127 • (314) 984-8181

DIVING

Roubidloux on Friday morning and afternoon then drive to the social. You must sign in and show Certification at the Waynesville 911 station on route 66 E to dive Roubidoux. Workshop Saturday and then Cannonball or Mine LaMotte on Sunday.

What caves are available?

Roubidoux and Cannonball
Roubidoux you must sign in at Waynesville 911 Station on Rt 66 E and show certification card. Usually stay Friday night in a motel local to the venue, and then dive Cannonball or Mine LaMotte on Sunday.

Cannonball- Poplar Bluff is the nearest town about 20 miles south of Cannonball (Blue Davidson Spring is official name) in Lake Wapapello State Park

Local dive shop has closed. Suggest using Yiki divers or West End diving Get addresses for these and Mine LaMotte Sunday diving also.

FILLS – Please make sure these shops are still making these fills!!

Roubidoux can get nitrox and O2 fills with notice Odyssey Scuba 227 Historic Rt 66 E, Waynesville Mo, 65583, (573)774-3483]

Cannonball- Local dive shop has closed. Suggest using Y-kiki divers or West End diving

Y-Kiki Divers Creve Coeur, 13001 Olive Arcade Plaza, Creve Coeur, MO 63141, 314-469-8722
Air fills, Nitrox, O2, (No Helium)

Y-Kiki Divers South County, 9936 Kennerly Road, Saint Louis, MO 63128, 314-843-0354
Air fills, Nitrox, (No O2 or Helium)
08-07-2015 11:44 PM
WJH

No local shops currently do Trimix fills. All can do Nitrox and/or O2. Odyssey Scuba (near RBD) might do Trimix. I have a friend who may be able to accommodate a diver or two with Trimix fills if he knows well in advance.

WJH
08-08-2015 05:19 AM
FW

Someone asked for more info in the Ozark forum. This is what I posted there:

For "procedures and protocols", stay tuned here. Typically, we dive Roubidoux the Friday before the Workshop, and Cannonball the Sunday after. Both caves go deep, and would need trimix, however, you can dive either one on nitrox, and still get in a nice dive. Since recent rains can blow them out, check conditions first. The best for Roubidous is the local diveshop, http://www.moscuba.com/ 573-774-DIVE (3483)

You can get info for cannonball at the Workshop.
08-20-2015 03:36 PM
WJH

I know you don't attend -because- of the attendance prizes, but they have started to roll in. In years past some attendees have won items of value far more than their ticket price!

In other local news, Roubidoux Spring is just now becoming divable again! Yeah!

WJH
08-20-2015 05:00 PM
FW

Quote:

Originally Posted by WJH

I know you don't attend -because- of the attendance prizes, but they have started to roll in. In years past some attendees have won items of value far more than their ticket price!

In other local news, Roubidoux Spring is just now becoming divable again! Yeah!

WJH

Good news, for both parts :-)
08-21-2015 11:57 AM
bl6394

I'm doing Trimix fills for Y Kiki Divers. Presently, we've got about 900 cf of Technical Diver Grade Helium (my Doria trip was blown out by weather.) We also have a few T's of Oxygen and a T of argon. Time permitting - we'd be happy to take care of you!

If you want mix or deco for RBD or CBL, contact me (314.623.0755) or the shop: Y Kiki Creve Coeur - 13001 Olive Arcade Plaza, Creve Coeur, MO 63141, 314-469-8722

Bjorn
08-25-2015 04:25 PM
Sh0use

Pre-registered and took off from work. Really looking forward to this workshop!

I didn't see anything about donating for the social. I wouldn't mind donating a little towards it if someone would kindly give me the paypal info. Thanks
08-25-2015 04:38 PM
Scuba Al

Will a updated map of Roubidoux be available at the workshop?

Al
08-26-2015 01:49 AM
scubainchicago

Quote:

Originally Posted by scuba al

will a updated map of roubidoux be available at the workshop?

Al

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08-26-2015 06:09 AM
WJH

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh0use

Pre-registered and took off from work. Really looking forward to this workshop!

I didn't see anything about donating for the social. I wouldn't mind donating a little towards it if someone would kindly give me the paypal info. Thanks

The social is simply a gathering at the restaurant. If you buy food or drink, you will have contributed.

WJH
09-03-2015 10:12 AM
MichaelAngelo

Looks like we will be in Mo for a few days pior to the workshop. Is anyone interested in diving the Wednesday orxThursday before the workshop as well as the weekend?
09-03-2015 11:57 AM
tomf

Thursday yes!
09-03-2015 10:04 PM
Sh0use

I was very tempted to skip class Thursday to arrive earlier. But we have an exam that day so I guess its best I don't. But I will be headed out and arriving early Friday morning and will be looking to dive. I will be using Nitrox so my dives will be limited to more shallow areas. Hoping to pull 2 dives before the social Friday. And then dive Sunday also. Looking for someone who wouldn't mind diving the upper areas that has dove there before. Would be nice to dive with someone who is familiar with the cave.
Also, could someone inform me what restaurant the social is at? I can't seem to find it. Thanks!
09-03-2015 11:55 PM
WJH

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh0use

I was very tempted to skip class Thursday to arrive earlier. But we have an exam that day so I guess its best I don't. But I will be headed out and arriving early Friday morning and will be looking to dive. I will be using Nitrox so my dives will be limited to more shallow areas. Hoping to pull 2 dives before the social Friday. And then dive Sunday also. Looking for someone who wouldn't mind diving the upper areas that has dove there before. Would be nice to dive with someone who is familiar with the cave.
Also, could someone inform me what restaurant the social is at? I can't seem to find it. Thanks!

The social is at the same restaurant as the meeting - CJ Muggs. Social is upstairs in the dining area Friday, meeting is downstairs in the meeting room Saturday (rear entrance).
I would be happy to dive the upper tunnels of Roubidoux and/or Cannonball with you. Have done both dozens of times. Contact me about details when the date is closer so we know what condition both systems are in - both look promising right now, as long as we don't get another batch of big rain storms between now and then.

WJH
09-04-2015 11:52 AM
MichaelAngelo

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomf

Thursday yes!

Great let's dive Roubi on Thursday too
09-08-2015 08:51 PM
Sh0use

Just found out my spring break for school is October 5 and 6th. Would love to get another 2-4 dives in on those days if anyone would also like to get in some more dives.
09-09-2015 11:26 PM
Sludge

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh0use

Just found out my spring break for school is October 5 and 6th.

Please explain this.
09-10-2015 04:51 AM
FW

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slüdge

Please explain this.

He is from Kentucky? :roll:
09-10-2015 10:31 AM
Sh0use

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slüdge

Please explain this.

Whoops, fall break* is what I meant to say. Regardless, I have two more days to dive!
09-10-2015 09:46 PM
chilldive

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scuba Al

Will a updated map of Roubidoux be available at the workshop?

Al

Unfortunately, an updated map hasn't been created yet. we no longer have a mapping person. I do hope to show the new extent of Roub overlaid on aerial photos.
09-11-2015 12:05 AM
MichaelAngelo

Quote:

Originally Posted by chilldive

Unfortunately, an updated map hasn't been created yet. we no longer have a mapping person. I do hope to show the new extent of Roub overlaid on aerial photos.

Will you have any of the old maps for sale.
09-11-2015 01:21 PM
chilldive

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelAngelo

Will you have any of the old maps for sale.

I should still have a few left over from last year's conf and will bring them.
09-18-2015 04:32 PM
WJH

Cannonball Cave conditions report via DiverDarren:
Cal and I dove Cannonball yesterday (9-17-15), conditions are moderate flow, 30 ft. vis in cave ,2ft; vis in lake,58degreesF, of course, and full of interesting critters. The sedimentation experiment placed in the cave a couple of years ago by A GARRETT is completely covered over and barely visible. Sediment has erased all hand marks and the cave looks great, I think we're the only one's diving this regularly now. We did barely avoid one serious potential problem, though. We took our doubles to the bottom of the hill, leaned them back on the rocks, and when we returned to don them, Cal found a large cotton-mouth under his kit, very poisonous and very pissed-off that his new house had been moved. Now I understand why it doesn't look like anyone fishes off the bank there anymore either!
09-18-2015 06:35 PM
SLIM

RBD 09-17-15 15+ in vis low flow water temp warm, LOL well warmer then normal but colder the NFL caves, LOL.

Be looking forward to diving Friday before the conferance, it will be a special dive for me. Who wants to sign my log book?

SLIM
09-18-2015 07:53 PM
FW

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLIM

RBD 09-17-15 15+ in vis low flow water temp warm, LOL well warmer then normal but colder the NFL caves, LOL.

Be looking forward to diving Friday before the conferance, it will be a special dive for me. Who wants to sign my log book?

SLIM

I will :-)
09-18-2015 11:22 PM
Sh0use

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLIM

RBD 09-17-15 15+ in vis low flow water temp warm, LOL well warmer then normal but colder the NFL caves, LOL.

Be looking forward to diving Friday before the conferance, it will be a special dive for me. Who wants to sign my log book?

SLIM

Glad to hear conditions are looking good. Really exciting about diving Friday and seeing everyone at the social that night!
09-19-2015 10:36 PM
SLIM

FW you did it for me at COW so why not here, Does that jog your idea what dive it will be for me?

SLIM
09-20-2015 11:10 AM
FW

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLIM

FW you did it for me at COW so why not here, Does that jog your idea what dive it will be for me?

SLIM

On Friday, there will only be one place to dive. Question is, how far :-D I would like to get out of the water in time to get to the Friday evening social.
09-21-2015 08:58 AM
Sh0use

I'm looking for a buddie(s) for Monday the 5th and Tuesday the 6th if anyone is looking to get in a couple more dives. Stated earlier, not trimix, so shallower levels of the caves are what I am planning to dive.
09-21-2015 05:45 PM
mwenner

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh0use

I'm looking for a buddie(s) for Monday the 5th and Tuesday the 6th if anyone is looking to get in a couple more dives. Stated earlier, not trimix, so shallower levels of the caves are what I am planning to dive.

You're making me so envious you're hanging out those extra days, ready to dive. Go over to Boiling Springs, if you really want a treat! Not sure if Tamara Thomson's coming to MO, but she's the guide for that one. See ya soon!
09-21-2015 06:41 PM
Sh0use

Quote:

Originally Posted by mwenner

You're making me so envious you're hanging out those extra days, ready to dive. Go over to Boiling Springs, if you really want a treat! Not sure if Tamara Thomson's coming to MO, but she's the guide for that one. See ya soon!

You should stay an extra day and do some diving with me Monday Mark! I would love to dive Boiling Springs if I could find someone to guide me. I'll be on the look out. See you soon!
09-22-2015 04:45 PM
cavekrazi

If you find the campground across the river from Boiling on the Gasconade, the spring is right across the river. You can't miss it. If you have never dove it before, you won't need a guide because you won't be going past the restriction. The rest of the cave is a very simple navigation once you get inside. Usually a little bit of flow at the mouth.
09-22-2015 06:57 PM
FW

Quote:

Originally Posted by cavekrazi

...Usually a little bit of flow at the mouth.

:rollguy
09-22-2015 07:37 PM
MichaelAngelo

Quote:

Originally Posted by cavekrazi

If you find the campground across the river from Boiling on the Gasconade, the spring is right across the river. You can't miss it. If you have never dove it before, you won't need a guide because you won't be going past the restriction. The rest of the cave is a very simple navigation once you get inside. Usually a little bit of flow at the mouth.

I know where it is Josh and have it on GPS. I was actually thinking about it as a second dive Thursday with a big maybe. As per foaming at the mouth well, have you ever seen a fire hose stuck on ON? No wait that was Roubi last July.
09-22-2015 11:06 PM
Sh0use

I'm up for the challenge! Sounds like a super interesting dive. I would ideally like to make it passed the restriction though to make it worthwhile. I've found the map of the cave via this write up: http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~brods...issouri_jan03/ but can't read it well. How far in is the restriction? Anyone have any video of it (can't find anything in YouTube)?

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelAngelo

I know where it is Josh and have it on GPS. I was actually thinking about it as a second dive Thursday with a big maybe. As per foaming at the mouth well, have you ever seen a fire hose stuck on ON? No wait that was Roubi last July.

Would love to dive Thursday with ya. Still not sure whether skipping class will be okay or not. May not be able to find any buddies for Monday/Tuesday so Thursday may be a better option.
09-27-2015 09:57 AM
mwenner

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh0use

You should stay an extra day and do some diving with me Monday Mark! I would love to dive Boiling Springs if I could find someone to guide me. I'll be on the look out. See you soon!

I wish I could just hang out a bit longer in MO, but my "to do" list has me by the tail, and wants to whip me around. I plan on being in the Boiling Springs area on Thursday night, and then RD on Friday, until it's time to make it to St Louis for the "Social". The Workshop is a "go", and looking forward to greeting everyone involved!
09-27-2015 10:52 AM
Sh0use

Quote:

Originally Posted by mwenner

I wish I could just hang out a bit longer in MO, but my "to do" list has me by the tail, and wants to whip me around. I plan on being in the Boiling Springs area on Thursday night, and then RD on Friday, until it's time to make it to St Louis for the "Social". The Workshop is a "go", and looking forward to greeting everyone involved!

My schedule now is looking like I'll be showing up in MO on Wednesday. Haven't figured out where, but hoping somewhere I can find a buddy and dive! Then RD on Thursday and likely Friday before the social. See you there.
09-27-2015 08:30 PM
tomf

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh0use

My schedule now is looking like I'll be showing up in MO on Wednesday. Haven't figured out where, but hoping somewhere I can find a buddy and dive! Then RD on Thursday and likely Friday before the social. See you there.

I'm planning on Thurs, and will head down there Weds. night. Lets go diving!
09-27-2015 08:35 PM
scubainchicago

Is anyone interested in doing the loop in RD?
09-27-2015 08:48 PM
Sh0use

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomf

I'm planning on Thurs, and will head down there Weds. night. Lets go diving!

I'm meeting MichaelAngelo at RD Wednesday afternoon. I think hes doing a deep dive so I am planning on staying above the 150ft level. Love to dive with ya!
Anyone know of any good camping grounds in the Waynesville area? Trying to save some money by camping out Wednesday and Thursday night.
09-27-2015 09:45 PM
tomf

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh0use

I'm meeting MichaelAngelo at RD Wednesday afternoon. I think hes doing a deep dive so I am planning on staying above the 150ft level. Love to dive with ya!
Anyone know of any good camping grounds in the Waynesville area? Trying to save some money by camping out Wednesday and Thursday night.

Well, I will try to get there in afternoon if you guys will be there. Above 150 works for me.
Don't want to camp. I will book motel, but get a double in case anybody wants to share.
09-28-2015 05:04 AM
FW

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Originally Posted by scubainchicago

Is anyone interested in doing the loop in RD?

What is the loop like? How deep, how long?
09-28-2015 05:06 AM
FW

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Originally Posted by Sh0use

Anyone know of any good camping grounds in the Waynesville area? Trying to save some money by camping out Wednesday and Thursday night.

Mark is camping near Boiling Spring. Not too far away from RBD.
09-28-2015 08:08 AM
Sh0use

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Originally Posted by FW

Mark is camping near Boiling Spring. Not too far away from RBD.

Thanks Forrest! I'll get with Mark about location. Really appreciate it.
09-28-2015 08:59 AM
scubainchicago

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Originally Posted by FW

What is the loop like? How deep, how long?

If memory serves correct, 3.5-4k back 180-200' depth.
09-28-2015 09:33 AM
FW

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Originally Posted by scubainchicago

If memory serves correct, 3.5-4k back 180-200' depth.

Hmmm, that would be a pretty long deco, and I want to make it to the social :-)

Thanks!
09-28-2015 09:55 AM
cavekrazi

I think most folks call the loop in Roubidoux (RB, RBD, or the Roub) a tour of the top of the first drop-off area and the adjacent upper tunnel. This can be done without deco and only extends about 400 feet back. Any further penetration and you are at 140 foot of depth in the lower tunnel. The loop can be a nice 45-60 min swim in reasonable flow conditions. The lower tunnel is pretty much a trimix dive for me. The 3.5-4k estimate would put you at the "picnic loop". That's a little bit more of a swim. Might not want to try that without getting a little familiar with the cave. Best,t
09-29-2015 06:27 AM
FW

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Originally Posted by Sh0use

Thanks Forrest! I'll get with Mark about location. Really appreciate it.

Boiling Spring Campground, LLC
18700 Cliff Rd
Dixon, MO 65459
09-29-2015 10:47 AM
chilldive

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Originally Posted by cavekrazi

I think most folks call the loop in Roubidoux (RB, RBD, or the Roub) a tour of the top of the first drop-off area and the adjacent upper tunnel. This can be done without deco and only extends about 400 feet back. Any further penetration and you are at 140 foot of depth in the lower tunnel. The loop can be a nice 45-60 min swim in reasonable flow conditions. The lower tunnel is pretty much a trimix dive for me. The 3.5-4k estimate would put you at the "picnic loop". That's a little bit more of a swim. Might not want to try that without getting a little familiar with the cave. Best,t

Tom knows best. The Picnic Loop is a two scooter, 4 stage dive (minimum) on OC for myself. And yes, a lot of deco. You'll dip below 200' a couple of times.

I think most people that speak of the Loop refer to the Tour that Tom points out.

Cheers,
Chris
09-29-2015 03:03 PM
MichaelAngelo

I'll be hitting St Roberts Wednesday afternoon and planning on diving Thursday 2dives and Friday 1
MA
09-29-2015 05:01 PM
FW

I will be up there Thursday afternoon. Going by to "look" at Boiling.
09-29-2015 07:34 PM
Sh0use

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Originally Posted by FW

I will be up there Thursday afternoon. Going by to "look" at Boiling.

Hey Forrest, I'll be staying at the Boiling Springs campground. I wouldn't mind taking a "look" with you if you don't mind. Just let me know either way. I'll be at RD tomorrow afternoon.
09-30-2015 03:25 AM
scubainchicago

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Originally Posted by chilldive

Tom knows best. The Picnic Loop is a two scooter, 4 stage dive (minimum) on OC for myself. And yes, a lot of deco. You'll dip below 200' a couple of times.

I think most people that speak of the Loop refer to the Tour that Tom points out.

Cheers,
Chris

I would do it on CC, but curious, on OC are you using the same protocol as the RB80/clone divers using stages (drive gas) and keeping backgas for emergencies?
09-30-2015 04:57 AM
FW

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Originally Posted by Sh0use

Hey Forrest, I'll be staying at the Boiling Springs campground. I wouldn't mind taking a "look" with you if you don't mind. Just let me know either way. I'll be at RD tomorrow afternoon.

PM me a cell number.
09-30-2015 08:43 PM
Sh0use

Dove Roubidoux today. Very low flow. I've never dove here before but it was definitely not anything you're having to fight whatsoever. Visibility was about 30ft. Water temp is 65 degrees per my buddies computer.
10-01-2015 09:02 AM
chilldive

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Originally Posted by scubainchicago

I would do it on CC, but curious, on OC are you using the same protocol as the RB80/clone divers using stages (drive gas) and keeping backgas for emergencies?

A rebreather would definitely be the way to go. And yes, absolutely, our RB divers always plan to be able to exit the system from the furthest point on OC if needed. If you'll be at the workshop this weekend, you'll hear me talk a little about the safeties we place in the system, which enables this contingency even above and beyond using backgas. And, of course, that whole concept is why we adhere to semi closed RBs.
10-01-2015 01:10 PM
MichaelAngelo

Everyone be aware, there is a homecoming parade going down rt 66 which will block off Roubi. This is from Bob at Oydessey Scuba. I will try to get a time when I check out at the 911 today
10-01-2015 01:10 PM
MichaelAngelo

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Originally Posted by scubainchicago

I would do it on CC, but curious, on OC are you using the same protocol as the RB80/clone divers using stages (drive gas) and keeping backgas for emergencies?

What clone divers are these?
10-01-2015 02:44 PM
scubainchicago

Forgive the crosslink.

http://www.rebreatherworld.com/showt...ones-available
10-01-2015 08:35 PM
chilldive

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Originally Posted by MichaelAngelo

What clone divers are these?

It's new technology...we simply clone divers when don't have enough team members available for a project. Works well...we can make whatever kind diver we need.
10-01-2015 09:01 PM
FW

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Originally Posted by chilldive

It's new technology...we simply clone divers when don't have enough team members available for a project. Works well...we can make whatever kind diver we need.

:rollguy
10-01-2015 09:28 PM
MichaelAngelo

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Originally Posted by MichaelAngelo

Everyone be aware, there is a homecoming parade going down rt 66 which will block off Roubi. This is from Bob at Oydessey Scuba. I will try to get a time when I check out at the 911 today

911 station told me they will start blocking off the streets about 1pm for the 2 pm parade. There wasn't a whole bunch of confidence in his voice so that time is an estimate. So getting out of Roubi will be problematic trying to get to Oydessey Scuba or to sign out. However going out the other direction will get you to
I44 in St Roberts. I'll ask in morning if we can work out alternative check out should Rt 66 be blocked.
10-02-2015 03:36 PM
FW

Since I don't see a time for the social, I will plan to be there at 6pm.

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10-02-2015 06:51 PM
trout

Biz and I will probably be there at 7:45.

Gayle
10-03-2015 04:34 PM
MichaelAngelo

Congratulations Mark. We had a great workshop.
10-04-2015 06:51 AM
FW

Mark did a great job organizing the Workshop. Except for a couple technical glitches, it was a great workshop.
10-05-2015 09:19 PM
mwenner

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Originally Posted by MichaelAngelo

Congratulations Mark. We had a great workshop.

Appreciate that you guys! Thanks for the help everyone.....
10-05-2015 09:44 PM
Sly-vester

Well done Mark.
10-05-2015 10:17 PM
Max Speed

Thanks to the fellow whose name I didn't catch but who loaned me $1.00 so I could buy 15 raffle tickets. I owe you the batteries from my new backup lights!
10-07-2015 07:52 PM
diverdarren

Did anyone dive Cannonball before or after the conference? Also. what did you think of RBD? Dive reports please!
10-07-2015 07:58 PM
FW

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Originally Posted by diverdarren

Did anyone dive Cannonball before or after the conference? Also. what did you think of RBD? Dive reports please!

I dove RBD before, and Cannonball after the Workshop. I have dived both in the past. They were great dives. Visibility was as good as either one gets. I scootered to about 1500' in RBD, and we did the side tunnels and the loop around the top of the pit at Cannonball.
10-07-2015 08:14 PM
diverdarren

Excellent, Forrest! I love the circuit around the top of the pit. The colors and striations in the wall near the holes are really beautiful. I dove RBD on Tuesday last week and made it to the first big room. I was almost to my turn pressure, and suddenly felt very alone!
10-07-2015 11:13 PM
Sh0use

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Originally Posted by FW

I dove RBD before, and Cannonball after the Workshop; we did the side tunnels and the loop around the top of the pit at Cannonball.

Here's a quick video I made of our dive. Kind of gives a good idea of the visibility and such. Such a beautiful cave. My first time diving it. Planning a weekend trip in the near future to hit it again. I was blown away.

https://youtu.be/Vf57lXmZOlk
10-08-2015 10:22 PM
diverdarren

Sweet video, Josh. Really captured the essence of Cannonball. Low vis and really dark! I bet you can't wait to drop down the express elevator to hell, I 'm sorry, I mean the down line. If you want to try that next time give me a shout, it's my favorite hang out. Was the expired turtle still on the ceiling of the main passage? He was a monster! Took his last breath right off the ceiling.

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