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Drove to morrison, ccr prepared and ready only to be turned away by deputies. Water was very low, crystsl clear but apparently tested unacceptable for fecal matter bacteria. That is what I get for bad mouthing rednecks the whole way there. Water quality will tested again on Monday.
Thanks for the update!
:smt003 Well at least we all know why tflaris isn't as full of crap as usual. :smt003
Ccr still ready. Feel a cough due to cold excuse for work coming on tomorrow.
Wow Vince, there are at least two things wrong with this. First, taking a CCR to Morrison is kind of like wearing a tuxedo to a mud bog. Second, bad mouthing rednecks? Don't you know you is one?Quote:
Originally Posted by OutlawCaver
Look it was purely an accident. Don said just do it in the water. No one will mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dsix36
I actually meant for you and Li to just "do it" in the water. I was planning to auction off the pictures.Quote:
Originally Posted by tflaris
Oh, is that what you meant.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dsix36
I would promise to pay more attention but there's no use lying to you.
How does one respond to that? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Dsix36
On a side note, if James Sr had talked me in to the dive at Cow on Tuesday that I had to sit out of, Cow would be closed for the same reasons. Probably worse! lol
How does a spring "outlet" become e-coli contaminated?Quote:
Originally Posted by OutlawCaver
Decreased outflow due to aquifer depletion allows the river to back up into the basin easier and easier. River carries all kinds of junk including agricultural runoff, including human and animal waste.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puttzer
Another local lay theory is that the aquifer itself is becoming more contaminated and is pumping bad water out. That's just some conjecture on the part of a guy I was talking to the other day, I hope that's all wrong. Kind of scary though.
Morrison is closed a lot for health reasons, more and more these past few years.
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I'm still trying to figure out why Vince would take a CCR to Morrison...
Septic fields and municipal fertilizer spray on crops...
#### flows downhill.
Sorry for the expletive, butt that is the subject/fecal matter...
It is the future of all springs in Florida. The aging of septic systems of houses along the rivers is causing a major increase in e. coli throughout Florida. Fertilizer is not the culprit here, but dairy farms may be a major contributor - they use more water than crops and that water is used to wash down everything to keep conditions sanitary (within the farm, never mind where it goes). I don't recall the figures, but Florida is one of the biggest producers of milk in the Southeast and has seen a dramatic increase in the number of dairy cows recently.
The ultimate cause is the increase in human population. The USA population has increased from 150 million in 1950 to 300 million today. Twice as many people taking a dump, twice as many drinking milk, twice as many cows producing the milk, twice as much water to wash away the manure, twice as much crap getting into the ground water.
Look for more closures year by year, with some becoming more closed more often for longer periods of time, until the Feds redefine "safe limit" and reopen the springs!
skip
Depends on what they use for fertilizer :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by skip
The actual root cause of the closure as told to me by a local is poison they used to treat the weeds there. He said the bacteria excuse was just that, an excuse. Dont know if he is right or not. Im with Russell on the ccr at morrisons.
Couldn't agree more. I live in between two large S. Georgia plantations and where they used to spread a gradual fertilizer made from a petroleum by-product they now spread a chicken manure base and if the wind is blowing in my direction the smell is awful. And one of the plantations borders the Flint River.Quote:
Originally Posted by FW
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You guys are crazy. Human intervention does not degrade water quality, the "science" is not convincing, the evidence is empirical at best, no reputable scientist would support this theory. Hell, the next thing you will be trying to convince us of is that the entire climate is changing, bah I say, such a overreaction . Its the overpopulation of deer and their poo that is causing this. Kill the deer, I say. And the turtles, they poo too. And the dogs, cats, aardvarks, muskrats.....all of them crap, why blame this on humans?
I recall a few years ago at one of the cave diving meetings: a state agent lectured explaining that the main source of water contamination was not septic tanks. It was chicken farms and septic tanks were near the bottom of the list and an insignificant source compared to the other sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by skip
Would like someone more informed than I to chime in and correct me as needed
Richard.
It's not a lay theory, it can actually happen. http://www.globalunderwaterexplorers...ater-chemistryQuote:
Originally Posted by Captain Bil
The site where the samples collected in the above article has no known sources of surface intrusion, but several samples collected over an eighteen month period produced similar results indicating high concentrations of human coliform bacteria. Dollars to donuts was it was probably a leaking septic tank somewhere in line over the aquifer that caused the particular problems at that location.
Took this picture a few weeks ago in Dan's Cave (Abaco Island, Bahamas).Quote:
Originally Posted by kensuf
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Brian is using a light to point out a small stream of brown liquid coming down thru a crack in the ceiling of the cave.
Forgot to ask him where it was coming from...
Morrison is a great place to practice CCR OPs and EPs and still get 90ffw. Plenty of vertical relief in lower cavern to work buoyancy and trim issues. Plus I can be there in under an hour.
Me too. I used it to try different bailout set ups with my Meg. And at less than an hour from home (and free), quite convenient.Quote:
Originally Posted by OutlawCaver
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Septic Tanks are local problems, rather than across-florida problems. Chicken farms are important, but in the past five years, the number of dairy cows has overtaken or caught up with the chickens (eat more chiken!). On the other hand, I remember someone from florida EPA talking about the aging of the septic systems along a stretch of the Suwannee River that was like a ticking time bomb for the Suwannee....Quote:
Originally Posted by Puttzer
When I was doing water quality work for the NACD, we consistently found over-the-top e coli readings in the Suwannee (over-the-top means more than allowed for swimming). These were "point-readings," and we did not continue with a consistent plan to detect trends.
skip
Regarding Morrison's current condition - call the Walton County Health Department at 850-892-8021 for reports.
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This reminds me...
I read/heard people taking snacks when doing long dives, with the justification that it's not a big deal to eat while underwater because it's fresh water.
Do you guys ever take a sip while cave diving? 99% of my diving is in the ocean, so even when in fresh water my instinct reflex is always to not drink the surrounding water.
I bring Capri Sun juice bags. Using the straw and maintaing a slight positive pressure on the bag keeps water intrusion to a minimum.
Certain I get more cave water in my mouth when I switch regs.
Food? to be honest, the thought of choking gives me significant cause for concern....
I used to take a drink every now and again, whats the difference between the water half a mile back in a cave and the water coming from the well 50 feet away?
I will take a drink when then water is clear. I used to use Capri Sun's as well. I would also take fun size snickers occasionally. I hate turning in to a diva.
I'll take a drink while in the cave, if the water is clear and the system has some decent flow (and I'm upstream of my buddy, :D ).
I take sips in just about every fresh water place I dive and have done so for years.
What'd I have for lunch.... yesterday? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by WEPIV
That is nasty!Quote:
Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
Go ahead & guess burritos though...
Calling the Health Department is of little assurance. I called today and they said the levels are within standards but that the Sheriff's Office may still decide they know better and post a deputy to ward off swimmers. In other words, not a warning but a "you can't get in the water". In addition they told me the surrounding septic systems are in compliance so unless the surrounding property is purchased and the drain fields condemned the problem will arise again and again.
Fish...?Quote:
Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
Actually you reminded me of a Pauly Shore joke which I won't repeat here.
Biodome with that useless Baldwin dude?
Not even upstream...too many divers with p- valvesQuote:
Originally Posted by MacLeod
I try to warn the locals every time I see them pull out a couple of jugs from Jacobs Well. There was an RV park above the cave and the septic system was never drained completely
You got it!Quote:
Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
I passed on Slingblade to work on Bio-dome. (Well actually, I was already hired and working on Bio-dome when I got asked about Slingblade.)
Anyway, that tent flashback scene is exactly what I thought of when I saw your post.
According to my better half I did this, cause I ruin the world with my "movements" especially if I do it while she is in the shower.
When I first read this I thought you meant you take a crap in the shower while your wife is with you. I had to think about it for a minute. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Sly-vester
I am sure there is website devoted to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesK
Dived today. Health Dept has signs posted warning of bacteria levels. No LEO onsite turning divers away. Great dive, 100 ft viz. Doubled up on ear juice.
AWESOME! Got a good chuckle out that. Somehow, I just can't picture your "diva" side :)Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesK
LoL. It's pretty bad!Quote:
Originally Posted by diveconjeff