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Was at Madison today and wanted to let people know that about 150' from the start of the Crossunder line is a "permanent" arrow, eg a big yellow one, pointing back into the cave. I didn't notice it on the way in, but did on the way out and I didn't remove it or reverse it 'cause I didn't know anything about it. As silty as that passage gets though, I thought y'all should know.....
Safe diving,
Rich
There are a lot of wrong arrows in Madison that I've noticed so far. The Godzilla jump has a single arrow pointing the wrong why at the start of the line.
Line committee members dive at Madison frequently. I have not seen any arrows that are pointing the wrong way, but of course that can change daily. If you see arrows that you think are incorrect you should always contact the NFSA Line Committee. http://northfloridaspringsalliance.org/lines.htm .. The NFSA is charged by the landowner with keeping lines, signs and arrows in good shapeQuote:
Originally Posted by ffdiver5597
The arrow you are talking about...is it at the very beginning of the Godzilla Room jump?
Yes, Once you cross over it's the start of the godzilla line and it's pointing in towards the cave.
This is 2 arrows reported in Madison in the past week or so that are incorrect.
Apparently there is a new survey team diving in there now with lots of cave divers learning how to survey. This arrow may be the result of the new team in there. I expect the line committee and all the rest of us should BOLO for things of this nature.
While we know the new team members have the best of intentions, errors can happen.
Jim, I was there for the first survey. As far as I know, no arrows of any sort are being used. Only cookies.
Jim,
I was there for the survey and AFIK no arrows being used...I was in the crossunder tunnel and in the area where Rich mentions all we noticed was an old cookie...will check it out next time we're there (next weekend likely).
Dive safe,
Celia
I am glad no arrows are being used.
Hasn't this come up before regarding the Godzilla line? It's the continuous line vs. shortest distance confusion. Why not just make that a T, and end the discussion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Wyatt
What's the logic behind leaving a line arrow in place that is clearly pointing the wrong way? If you know it's wrong, just remove it.
No, you are thinking of the wrong place. This time we are discussing the beginning of that line, 15 feet from the gold line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenwood_60
T's are not always the best solution, in fact IMO they are rarely the best solution.
Is he talking about the start of the Godzilla line ("The Godzilla jump has a single arrow pointing the wrong why at the start of the line.") or the end of the Godzilla line ("at the very beginning of the Godzilla Room jump?")... ? I think of two different locations when you say "Godzilla Jump" vs "Godzilla Room Jump".Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Wyatt
I "assumed" he was talking about 15 feet from the gold line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenwood_60
The other line arrow, near the Godzilla room is placed and pointing correctly.
Just curious-- why do you say that? I would T everything excluding extremely difficult passages and active exploration if it were up to me...It's done that way in most Tallahassee Sinks as well as river caves almost everywhere in FL and it saves a ton of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Wyatt
You are welcome to call me and I'll explain it to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jj1987
... as well as the back half of Jackson Blue (the system I'm most familiar with). As long as they are correctly marked with arrows, I like T's much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by jj1987
That is the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slüdge
People should slow down, smell the roses and personally mark their navigational decisions.
T everything and run the gold line all the way to surface.
I don't think having T's implies that you can't leave your own marker. I treat T's and jumps the same-- drop a cookie on the exit side, a jump just requires that I make the T myself every-single-time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Wyatt
Using guidelines to slow people down isn't something I agree with. I do agree that you should personally mark your navigational decisions.
...and Bozel, and Twin, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slüdge
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by jcr
Opinions vary.Quote:
Originally Posted by jj1987
All the caves up my ways have "T"s. There is nothing wrong with them.
Truer words were never spoken!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Wyatt