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Vortex Springs Resort Foreclosure

I just read this on Craigslist.

VORTEX SPRING RESORT FORECLOSURE

VORTEX SPRING DIVING RESORT FORECLOSURE SALE NOTICE:

Vortex Spring which is a fresh water spring (natural resource), diving resort and swimmers paradise along with an 8 inch monitoring well on site for drinking and water bottling purposes, is located in Ponce de Leon, Florida.

In April of 2007 the property was sold , foreclosure action was pursued and currently the property is scheduled for a foreclosure sale on the steps of the Holmes County, Florida Court House on October 18, 2012 at 11:00 AM. The final judgment amount is $13,765,782.33 USD. This information can be verified thru the following link: Holmes Clerk of Court Home Page

The Foreclosure sale can be stopped upon satisfaction of the judgment, which also means that it can be purchased pre-foreclosure sale.

Vortex Spring Resort consists of 3 adjoining parcels that total 419.62 +/- and the heart of the property is the freshwater spring. These parcels are continuous acreages and are located 4.8 miles North of Interstate 10 corridor, Exit 96 on Hwy 81 North.

Listed below you will find each of the Parcel ID numbers and the legal descriptions. This information can be verified thru the following link: Welcome to the Holmes County Property Appraiser's Office

Parcel ID: 1808.00-000-000-012.000
Legal Description: S1/2 OF NE1/4 LESS 3 AC TORD #181 OR 86/708 OR 244/526 LESS 19.2 AC OR 269/869 WD- OR413/445 QC-OR426/34 QC-OR425/708

Parcel ID: 1809.00-000-000-008.000
Legal Description: THAT PART OF W1/2 OF SE1/4N OF COUNTY RD OR 128/32 DES IN OR 158/356 WD-OR413/445 ALSO COMMENCING AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE NW1/4 OF SECTION 9, T-4-N, R-17-W, HOLMES COUNTY, FLORIDA, RUN S89ø03'34"E, ALONG THE SOUTH LINE OF SAID NWL/4, 98'0.15 FEET TO THE POINT OF BEGINNING; THENCE RUN NOO-24'22"W, 182.81 FEET; THENCE N89ø34'43"E, 135.78 FEET; THENCE NOO-06'16"W, 267.21 FEET; THENCE N89ø52'17"E, 70.74 FEET TO THE WATER'S EDGE OF VORTEX SPRING; THENCE ALONG THE WATER'S EDGE OF SAID SPRING THE FOLLOWING COURSES: S24ø02'57"E 69.10 FEET; THENCE S51ø03'25"E, 60.47 FEET; THENCE N85ø44'29"E, 76.41 FEET; THENCE N52ø25'53"E 45.13 FEET; THENCE N17ø52'05"E, 81.21 FEET; THENCE N01ø39'O1"E, 43.75 FEET; THENCE N35ø34'02"E, 24.79 FEET; THENCE N70-15'15"E, 24.60 FEET; THENCE DEPARTING SAID WATER'S EDGE, RUN S59ø46'39"E ALONG A FOUR FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE, 154.80 FEET; THENCE CONTINUE ALONG FENCE S48ø34'15"E, 116.56 FEET; THENCE CONTINUE ALONG SAID FENCE, S05ø02'59"E, 314.74 FEET TO THE END OF SAID FENCE; THENCE CONTINUE S05ø02'59"E, 75.81 FEET TO THE SOUTH LINE OF THE NW1/4 OF SECTION 9; THENCE N89ø03'34"W ALONG SAID LINE,711.26 FEET TO THE POINT OF BEGINNING. WD-OR413/445 QC-OR426/34 QC-OR425/708

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Parcel ID: 1809.00-000-000-009.000
Legal Description: 61/711 COMMENCING AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE NW1/4 OF SECTION 9, T-4-N, R-17-W, HOLMES COUNTY, FLORIDA, RUN S89ø03'34"E, ALONG THE SOUTH LINE OF SAID NW1/4, 98'0.15 FEET TO THE POINT OF BEGINNING; THENCE RUN NOO-24'22"W, 182.81 FEET; THENCE N89ø34'43"E, 135.78 FEET; THENCE NOO-06'16"W, 267.21 FEET; THENCE N89ø52'17"E, 70.74 FEET TO THE WATER'S EDGE OF VORTEX SPRING; THENCE ALONG THE WATER'S EDGE OF SAID SPRING THE FOLLOWING COURSES: S24ø02'57"E 69.10 FEET; THENCE S51ø03'25"E, 60.47 FEET; THENCE N85ø44'29"E, 76.41 FEET; THENCE N52ø25'53"E 45.13 FEET; THENCE N17ø52'05"E, 81.21 FEET; THENCE N01ø39'O1"E, 43.75 FEET; THENCE N35ø34'02"E, 24.79 FEET; THENCE N70-15'15"E, 24.60 FEET; THENCE DEPARTING SAID WATER'S EDGE, RUN S59ø46'39"E ALONG A FOUR FOOT CHAIN LINK FENCE, 154.80 FEET; THENCE CONTINUE ALONG SAID FENCE S48ø34'15"E, 116.56 FEET; THENCE CONTINUE ALONG SAID FENCE, S05ø02'59"E, 314.74 FEET TO THE END OF SAID FENCE; THENCE CONTINUE S05ø02'59"E, 75.81 FEET TO THE SOUTH LINE OF THE NW1/4 OF SECTION 9; THENCE N89ø03'34"W ALONG SAID LINE,711.26 FEET TO THE POINT OF BEGINNING. CONTAINS 6.0 ACRES, MORE OR LESS. LIFE EST WD-OR413/445 QC-OR425/708

Vortex Spring Resort was developed and owned by divers who have a true love for freshwater springs. The spring itself sits in a valley surrounded by rolling hills and majestic pines. It has a flow rate of nearly 28 million gallons of gin clear water per day and maintains a temperature of 68 degrees year round. The spring basin is 50 feet deep at the mouth of the ledge-like cavern and for the more experienced diver there is an additional 100 yards of diving that is a garage sized tunnel and reaches a depth of 115 feet.
Vortex Spring Resort is known as one of the largest diving facilities in the State of Florida. There are student training platforms at the 20 foot level along with a talk box for the instructor. Divisions of EMS from around the country have used this resort for their own training facility as well as dive centers from all along the Gulf Coast and beyond. Vortex Spring Resort brings individual divers on a weekly basis from all over the United States and abroad. It has been referred to as "The Mecca of Dive Training" per Southern Diver Magazine and to this day still upholds that title. On site PADI instructors offer the following classes for certification: Discover Scuba, Open Water, Advanced Open Water, Enriched Air Nitrox, First Responder (CPR), Rescue Diver, Dive Master and Cavern/Cave Diving.
In addition to Diving, Vortex Spring Resort offers canoeing, swimming with diving boards, slides, zip line, an old fashioned rope swing and snorkeling. There are also Camping Facilities to include Cabins, Lodges, Pull thru sites, primitive sites and upscale lodging. The campground is well lit and offers a bath house, picnic tables, grills, electricity and RV sewage dump station on property. There are nature trails, ATV trails, horse trails, motor cross track, go cart track and a full service dive shop/camp store to cater to all of the customer's needs.

This property includes the 1800 sq foot manager's home/classroom/office facility and the option of the 7800 sq foot main residence and 3200 sq ft private garage pre-foreclosure.

Vortex Spring is a privately owned Natural Resource, a freshwater spring and has surrounding acreages that help to support it. It has been more than proven to be an excellent training facility on public and EMS levels as well as a great source for public recreation due to all of the amenities this property offers.

In addition to the Natural Resource there are miles of trails already developed and there is plenty of room for expansion of all existing trails. There is also plenty of land to dedicate to forestland and wetlands that are created by nearby creeks and flow from the spring itself.

The surrounding acreages to this property are also available if it is so desired.

Vortex Spring Resort has been developed, managed and maintained by the Dockery family for over 35 years. It has been a true labor of love as the developer/owner of Vortex Spring who was also a diver and the creator of the Divers Down Flag.
Just a few web sites for your reference:
Florida Springs, Springs in Florida, Florida Cave Diving, Manatee Viewing - Florida's Springs: Protecting Nature's Gems - Florida DEP - Vortex Spring
Welcome to Vortex Spring, Florida's Gulf Coast Premier Inland Diving Resort
A Journey Through Americana: Day 18 - Day Off--Vortex Spring:
Dive Flags
This is the copy taken from the Holmes County Clerk of Court's Web Site.
FORECLOSURE SALES
The Holmes County Clerk's Office provides these records in its office and over the Internet as a public service.
If you are interested in bidding on a foreclosed property, it is recommended that you come into the Court Department of the Holmes County Clerk's Office to physically review the files we have on each foreclosure. You can also obtain information regarding future foreclosure sales by researching the legal ad section of the Holmes County Times- Advertiser. The foreclosures are published once a week for two consecutive weeks before the sale takes place.
To find out more about the property you may view the Holmes County Property Appraiser's Website at Welcome to the Holmes County Property Appraiser's Office.
If you wish to bid on a foreclosure, you must appear in person at the sale. All bids are for cash, cashier's check, or pre-approved check. Successful bidder must post five percent (5%) of the final bid at the time of the sale, with the final payment due by 4:00 P.M. on the day of the sale.
Successful bidder must pay the following in addition to the deposit:
Registry of the Court Fee -- (3% of first $500 and 1.5% of balance of bid)
Documentary Stamps for Certificate of Title -- ($.70 per $100 or fraction
thereof)
Potential buyers take the property as is. Subject to any defects, liens, encumbrances, and all matters of which buyer had notice or could have obtained knowledge, including matters pertaining to current tenants.
The following properties are scheduled to be sold to the highest bidder at the front door of the Holmes County Courthouse:

Sale Date: October 18, 2012 Denzel Dockery, et al vs. LBK, LLC, et al
Case No. 08-370CA Final Judgment: $13,765,782.33usd

If you are interested in receiving any further information you may email me thru Craigslist or call (850) 259-0370.
Thank you for your consideration.

Does anyone have any information about this, foreclosure sales like this are rarely what the public thinks they are.

Odds are this is just part of a restructuring plan by the current owners, but I'm interested in taking a look.

The last owner died. Lowell Kelly bought the resort from the Dockery's in 2007 and earlier this year got drunk and fell down the stairs of the Grandview Lodge. One of his buddies brought him to his house and dumped him in the shower, where he went into a coma. He died a week later or so in the hospital. Atleast thats the story the newspapers told, Mr Kelly wasn't exactly the most loved person in existance.

I heard he was already behind on payments anyway.

Well, one of the stories is he fell down the steps drunk. There are other stories out there about what possibly happened. Also, he died about a month and a half or so later. But I'm just nitpicking. Eduardo introduced me to Lowell a few years back and Lowell asked me questions regarding offering trimix fills. It sounded like he was looking for ways to bring more money into the business. I told him at the time that it would take him lots of trimix fills to make back the money he would need to invest to do them.

So I wonder if Vortex will be closed to diving after October 18. And what are the shops that use it for training going to do, especially when Morrison is blown out?

These auctions are regularly postponed but even if it happens very little will change "the day after", most of the time this is nothing more then a formality for the entity that holds a secured interest thats usually first in line. I don't have nearly enough fact to represent this but I've bankrupted properties and stopped servicing debt just to put lenders in a position of weakness in order to renegotiate debt/equity as the case may be, so I understand the business.

Without going off on a tangent this is what I need to know for starters...very basic things:

1) Was the alleged event in 2007 a sale?
2) Title was transferred from who to who?
3) The purchase price?
4) The capital stack on the property in detail: PP, equity raised, secured interests form 1st to X.
5) Who initiated the foreclosure?
6) The total amount paid to the various creditors since the sale broken down
7) 5 years financials (or as many as possible) for all existing revenue streams (to prove NOI).
8) Any tax incentives and an understanding of the possible impact on NOI
9) Unexploited possible revenue streams

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10) Owner/future seller expectations and this is where things get tricky.

2007 was the pinnacle of a real estate boom.
[EDITED - No political bashing. You can't do it, then say, "I'll refrain from rendering an opinion." You're warned. ]
Every seller in the USA was expecting (and getting) prices that were absurd but because the cost of money was cheap financing looked like it made sense....at least short term.

So if the 2007 deal was lets say 10MM today the available revenue stream based on the equivalent CAP rate may be 6MM now most business people understand this and in the end will concede but the reality is much worse since the availability of debt has been compromised and equity partners are an endangered species this property in all likelihood, given the location, is worth between 20 and 50 % of the 2007 sale price.

When money was cheap WALLGREENS DRUG STORES were trading at between a 5 and 8 CAP rate, 5 CAPS for the best locations in the most populated areas of New York, Chicago, Florida, etc.

8 CAPS were for the less densely populated areas, the point is with a tenant like WALGREENS the risk is low because they are the best in the business.

Today CAP rates are higher and the sophisticated property owner knows one thing......DONT SELL, its a sign of weakness.

I would be very interested in exploring a possible opportunity at VORTEX so if you know something or someone please let me know.

Uhhh. I'm warned....warn away...what I said was not a bashing SQUIRL GIRL, I stated the source that eventually gave way to the rapid expansion of the credit markets, just because someone started something doesn't mean that the result was its intent. Perhaps its your negative outlook, assumption and lack of knowladge that needs work rather then my statement of FACT........

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Uhhh. I'm warned....warn away...what I said was not a bashing SQUIRL GIRL, I stated the source that eventually gave way to the rapid expansion of the credit markets, just because someone started something doesn't mean that the result was its intent. Perhaps its your negative outlook, assumption and lack of knowladge that needs work rather then my statement of FACT........

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I am not as unknowledgeable as you assume (perhaps it's your negative outlook? http://www.deepcaves.net/smilies/tonguecheek.gif). I edited it out because we instituted a rule about bashing political parties (which basically calling out a political administration is). Your opinions (and selective referencing) regarding the source of the real estate market problems is irrelevant to the thread about Vortex.

I think Jon should be able to bash away at whatever political party he wants as soon as he ponies up $13MM to buy his own private spring playground and let me play in it.

Lets see, $13,000,000.00 dollars and we can charge $19.00 per diver.....aw hell, it will only take 684,000 divers and the place is paid for. If we can get 60,000 of them to rent a cabin, then hell, we will be rich. Where do we sign up???

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Originally Posted by RN

So I wonder if Vortex will be closed to diving after October 18. And what are the shops that use it for training going to do, especially when Morrison is blown out?

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They have plenty of other options, suck it up and dive the gulf, suck it up and boat to Cypress, suck it up and drive further... or reschedule. Maybe it'll actually slow down the mass production of bad divers to some extent? LOL


FWIW, Connie(Doc's daughter who ran the place before Lowell bought the resort) is running the place again. I used to laugh at her chasing drunks outta Vortex with cattle prods.

Beside the spring there appears to be a lot of acreage. What is the current use? I have never been there, someone said there is cabins but otherwise? Seems like a good place for an RV park, only 4 or miles from I10.

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Originally Posted by Jont

Uhhh. I'm warned....warn away...what I said was not a bashing SQUIRL GIRL, I stated the source that eventually gave way to the rapid expansion of the credit markets, just because someone started something doesn't mean that the result was its intent. Perhaps its your negative outlook, assumption and lack of knowladge that needs work rather then my statement of FACT........

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Sorry not a statement of fact but rather an opinion...i would suggest that it was alan greenspan and the fed that fueled the expansion of credit via monetary policy and his appointment was much earlier. Bill

Back on topic, anyone wanna show up, combine forces and funds, and bid? I'll throw in my (undisclosed amount of) cash for partial ownership percentage and opportunity to clean house. Maybe in time to host a halloween party? I can re-use my costume from last year!

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and lack of knowladge that needs work rather then my statement of FACT........

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Oh, the irony.

what caught my eye was "the option of the 7800 sq foot main residence"...7800 square feet...I don't remember noticing a house on the property that large.

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Originally Posted by mdax

I don't remember noticing a house on the property that large.

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Seriously? I thought it was bigger than that.

The Dockery Manor is two story, has a huge RV height garage, and covered outdoor space by the spring... They probably included all of that in the sq ft estimate. Maybe they count all this? My guess is this will zero out the liens against the properties from the lowell kelley fiasco and allow the dockery family (or higher bidder) a fresh start. I wouldn't be surprised if they are circling wagons financially to keep the place, thru auction by clearing out debt obligation from LK to the county, etc. and good on them if they can.

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Originally Posted by kwinter

I think Jon should be able to bash away at whatever political party he wants as soon as he ponies up $13MM to buy his own private spring playground and let me play in it.

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LOL Ken, I would rather use 15MM of someone else's money.

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Originally Posted by Squirrel Girl

I am not as unknowledgeable as you assume (perhaps it's your negative outlook? http://www.deepcaves.net/smilies/tonguecheek.gif). I edited it out because we instituted a rule about bashing political parties (which basically calling out a political administration is). Your opinions (and selective referencing) regarding the source of the real estate market problems is irrelevant to the thread about Vortex.

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Actually you are simply wrong referencing a starting pint is NOT bashing it is referencing a starting point, and quite frankly it was the smart move, what happened after that many many people businesses and politicians are responsible for from all walks of like and political allegiance, its the assumptions that you make after reading FACT with a hearty serving of emotion that leads you down that path and you yourself stated and I quote "Maybe I am assuming things and maybe not. But regardless, it still winds up with a politician being posted up unnecessarily" and that is a far cry from "gratuitous political bashing".

Its obvious that this is simply a waste of my time, if its not corrected (by you) consider this my last post.

Cheers,

JonT

I like to have a starting "pint" too!

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Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn

FWIW, Connie(Doc's daughter who ran the place before Lowell bought the resort) is running the place again. I used to laugh at her chasing drunks outta Vortex with cattle prods.

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Lol +1

Good times

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Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn

I used to laugh at her chasing drunks outta Vortex with cattle prods.

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Hey, there's an additional source of revenue right there! I'd pay to watch that. :)

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Beside the spring there appears to be a lot of acreage. What is the current use? I have never been there, someone said there is cabins but otherwise? Seems like a good place for an RV park, only 4 or miles from I10.

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There's the Grandview Lodge, which is a 3 unit cabin on stilts overlooking the spring. There are also two bunkhouses. There WAS several brand new shotgun houses put along the "spring run" a couple years back as cabins, but last time I was there, they had disappeared(guessing not paid for).

Land use is mostly as a diving resort, but there have been efforts to try to make the place cater to ATVs and motorcross as well as paintball.

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Originally Posted by mdax

what caught my eye was "the option of the 7800 sq foot main residence"...7800 square feet...I don't remember noticing a house on the property that large.

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... what, aside from the big ass Alamo looking residence on the side of the spring???????????

Anyone care to speculate on what this will sell for on the auction block?

Mabey the guy that "died" will show up on the courthouse steps and buy it.

No, he really died. I'm pretty dang certain of that.

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Mabey the guy that "died" will show up on the courthouse steps and buy it.

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But JUST before he can raise up his hand for his bid, scoobydoo and the gang will catch him, take his mask off, and uncover the truth for all there to see.

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Originally Posted by Angry Turtle

But JUST before he can raise up his hand for his bid, scoobydoo and the gang will catch him, take his mask off, and uncover the truth for all there to see.

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BEN MCDANIELS!! He would have gotten away with it if was not for you meadling kid.

You made it too easy

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Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn

There WAS several brand new shotgun houses put along the "spring run" a couple years back as cabins, but last time I was there, they had disappeared(guessing not paid for).

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What is a shotgun house?

It's a house or apartment with all the rooms in a row, so that you can fire a shotgun in the front door and out the back door.

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It's a house or apartment with all the rooms in a row, so that you can fire a shotgun in the front door and out the back door.

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...without hitting anything.

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Originally Posted by Me

What is a shotgun house?

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Recent interpretation used as temporary housing after disaster of "camping"cabin

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In NYC that's a "Railroad" apt...

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In NYC that's a "Railroad" apt...

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its a RR apt in the "boroughs" or north of 96th street AKA The Mason Dixon line in Manhattan.


anyway its not an auction in the way its perceived by most.....this auction can be stopped by a "deed in leu" but even if it goes to auction the note holders, in the case the Sellers from 2007 (the family that has controlled the property for years) since they own the debt on the property will show up and bid 1.00 USD, when properties like this are sold at auction the amount you "bid" is in addition to the existing bill that includes all debt, interest, legal, etc. and in this case thats 13MM and change.

This is a formality that allows the note holders to obtain the fee interest in the property or become the property owners once again. If the property is worth lets say 30MM then there will be a completive bid but that still works out well for the 2007 sellers because they will get every penny they wanted (in 2007).

I discussed the property with the 2007 sellers and am meeting them in November provided they take back the property, there's a better way to preserve the "dive business" and isolate any other potential revenue streams then the sale in 2007, this will give the dive business operators an honest shot of running a successful business and the sellers will be able to market the balance of the property without having the arguments and issues that came about this last time.

Jont, thanks for the info! I've dove Vortex a couple times and as a new (intro) caver would like to dive it some more.

Leam

Why? The millpond is just down the road...

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Why? The millpond is just down the road...

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Hey pardner, not sure what you're referring to. If there's another cave to dive, lemme know!

Leam

On a scale of 1 to 10, Vortex is a 1. Forty-five miles away is Merritt's Millpond. The caves there are all 9s.

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Hey pardner, not sure what you're referring to. If there's another cave to dive, lemme know!

Leam

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Checkout www.caveadventurers.com

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Jont, thanks for the info! I've dove Vortex a couple times and as a new (intro) caver would like to dive it some more.

Leam

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My pleasure Leam, SLUGE has a good point, but VORTEX could make a world class training facility with a little work and I think that would be the direction to take, it would be perfect for all recreational and technical training that can be done in confined water.

Robert here. I could be wrong, but doesn't Vortex require constant dredging efforts to keep it clear and flowing? Isn't that pretty much what Eduardo does with all that pipe laying around in there? Paul and Jill said that the line ended way before the end point on the map because of the shifting sands that have filled in the small tunnels. There is more line that was laid a long time ago, maybe by Steve Keene and others, but they said it just disappears into the sand. Considering the drought conditions, I'd have some kind of engineering/hydrology study done before sinking any serious coin into this place. Remember Hornsby? Poe? White Springs? Etc...

To keep the cave as easily passable as it is now, yes, it requires dredging.

Edd went beyond where Steve Keene and the original explorers went IIRC

Vortex is a natural 2nd magnitude spring, mostly just the passage size has been dredged out. The cave itself has never been a draw for the place. It flows on its own, but the pump house is used to affect the water level and control hydrostatic pressure in order to control just how much flow is issuing.

Only thing Vortex would have going for it that I can see, is you would own it, and could put carpet in the basin if you wanted to to keep the weeds down etc., although I'd bet that kind of thing is not as easy to do now as it once was. Other than that, there is no comparison at all with somewhere like the mill pond.
If there is a "sacrificial cave" it ought to be Vortex, because it's been ruined for years.

There used to be carpet in there and it detracted from the place. I'm glad they got rid of it. The state wouldn't let the carpet go back in at this point anyway. While the Mill Pond is great for cave diving, there is nowhere in the Mill Pond to do open water training. The deepest part of the pond in open water is at the cave openings. At Jackson Blue you can get to about 15' right at the opening. At Twin you can get about 16'. At Hole in the Wall you can get about 14'. And all of those are in a very small area. Move away from the opening and you get shallower. So Vortex is a great place to conduct open water portions of class. I prefer Morrison if it's not blown out, but Vortex is a great backup when Morrison is blown out. I use both to conduct classes like Intro to Tech and OW sidemount. I also use both to do the first dive of cavern when my students are learning all of the new skills, as well as for the first dive or two of my decompression classes. The Mill Pond is not suitable for these dives, either by my personal standards or agency standards.

I think I saw today that the Dockerys bought it back.

They didn't buy it back... it was never paid for(as in moneys paid out to the Dockery's after the sale) to begin with.

Back in their possesion and control I meant.

I can confirm the Dockery family foreclosed and regained possession last Thursday. I talked to Connie and she is coming back as manager. We'll miss Joe but I guess there was a non-compete clause enforced. We'll be doing an article on FDC with more details in a couple weeks.

I think Connie has been back since Oct 1st? She was there last weekend during Vortoberfest, place was dead as nails though.

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I think Connie has been back since Oct 1st? She was there last weekend during Vortoberfest, place was dead as nails though.

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Hey, missed you guys at Vortoberfest. It looks like a good time was had though. I'll be there again for Springfest. Like others here, I was sorry to hear Joe left but I think they plan to carry on and build the place up. It was fun in the old days and i think they know what they're doing.

I didn't consider it fun. High priced and full of drunks.

No, before that....

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Before the drunks found Vortex, mammoths still roamed the earth.

I know I'm a bit older than the average cave diver, but I'm not that old....maybe Forrest remembers them days, but I'm more of a buffalo roaming the america's age.

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Does this transfer of ownership mean its no longer Ben's Vortex?

Come on Kevin, I konw what kind of FUn you had in there seveal months back. Don't kid them, it is FUN. LOL

SLIM

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Come on Kevin, I konw what kind of FUn you had in there seveal months back. Don't kid them, it is FUN. LOL

SLIM

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LOL!! Oh you should, you were there!!!

That's why I know you had so much fun.


SLIM