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Combined with extremely high rain levels,and a record low aquifer,how many of the springs will reverse in the next 7 days. Not to morbid,but NFL has gotten nailed by some very high rain levels,which this will provide some necessary "healing" to the caves
Is there a list of what is considered a tourist cave?
I voted for more than 6. Essentially I would have voted for "all of them" if that had been a listed option. I would guess that even Ginnie will have issues. Although at Ginnie those issues will likely be limited to the area surrounding the entrance. I would guess that Ginnie might not be acceptable for instruction using either the Eye or the Ear as entrances. Ginnie could also have problems with parking and flooded steps. The conditions this year seem to be more extreme than my (limited) memory.
Mark Vlahos
That is my hope anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Kelly Jessop
I was wondering the same thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenwood_60
Typically caves that are fairly common,have gold line,and training occurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenwood_60
Flow was noticeably down on last Friday from what I recall right before the last flood that nearly took out Ginnie. During that time )3 years ago when the parking issues happened), we swam on a double stage to just beyond the 3600ft mark and flow was like Peacock even at the Henkle. I don't know that the river will get high enough, but wouldn't count it out...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Vlahos
So, whatever the number what is best guess as to how long it will be before they are diveable again?
John
Good question. The factors are the amount of depletion of the groundwater and severity on the reversal. Last time Little River had a severe reversal with a drought,it took several months before it had fair viz.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Ploegert
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the caves on Merritts Mill Pond in Marianna will be fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Vlahos
Debbie does Florida.
I was going to make a similar comment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Webmaster
"will be blown by Debbie".... Who's this Debbie person, and is she any good?
Don't be so quick to jump to that conclusion...Quote:
Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
I was in JB a few months ago (it was durring the millpond draw down) when so much rain dumped all at once that JB reversed in the middle of my dive. When I came up the chimney vis was <30' and dropping fast. My first thought was "Damn, who f***ed up the vis." By the time I got to the beginning of the goldline it was <5' and by the time I got to my deco bottle vis was less than a foot. I think it took arround a week for it to clear all the way up.
Just spoke to Cathy, Peacock is closed, Telford was so bad the monster even moved out, Cow doesnt look good, Ginne is full cave only. Didnt ask about Little River or Madison.
Marianna didn't get the bulk of this rain.Quote:
Originally Posted by floridakid
During that time when JB was blown out recently, Hole and Twin were still very divable.
It wasn't so much a quick jump to any particular conclusion as it was, looking at what happened and considering what has happened in the past.
There are ALWAYS places in Florida to dive. Some #### just doesn't blow out :)
She was my ex wife and the devastation she could produce far outweighed the benefits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superlyte27
Madison
Little River
Telford
Peacock
Lafayette
...with Manatee closed to all but OW? Not sure if that means its blown(very doubtfull), but it makes the difference between my vote for 5 winning, rather than the 6 votes being accurate.
Telford and Lafayette are tourist caves? PIII is then too, right?
I have never understood the definition of a tourist cave.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenwood_60
Jim Wyatt
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I'm a tourist when I go into a cave so if I have been in them I guess they are tourist caves. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jim Wyatt
Like you would actually complain if she wasn't any good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superlyte27
I'm just glad that somebody finally said what everyone was thinking!
Really disappointed in this since Debby spells her name with a "y" :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Superlyte27
Say Goodbye to Devils, the river of death is about to overcome the screen of awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VXkqmH4ZMI
I'd say the river intrusion tunnel off the main line is doing exactly what its name implies.Quote:
Originally Posted by mdax
Yes, why wouldn't they be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenwood_60
While Telford might not be the drive up and dive like it used to be, its still no stretch to stroll up the river and dive...
Lafayette? Park, Goldline, amenities, what more do you need?
PIII is for sure, big park, tank benches, Goldline, 30 foot of vis for the most part
I find the syntax "tourist cave" pretty misleading, as it's intended to be demeaning or indicative of an "easy" cave...however we all know it's just as easy to die in one.
In climbing people refer to the zodiac route up el capitan as a "tourist" route. Once you are into the meat of it, above the nipple pitch, multiple iffy placements of successive hooking doesn't feel so "touristy".
Geez since so many seem to take offense with the term "tourist cave" it is simple. A tourist cave is one that is generally open and known for all to dive, has gold line, and has the lines maintained. It is not meant as a slight or to imply that it is an easier cave compared to "non-tourist". Most don't generally speak openly of the non-tourist caves for multiple reasons such as access, conservation, difficulty in both getting to the cave and the cave environment, etc.
I'm a tourist cave diver and go in both types of systems. It is a simple way of defining the common caves that most all of us know about.
Tourist caves (based on Bobby's explanation):
Jackson Blue
Madison Blue
Peacock
Peacock III
Devil's
Little River
Lafayette Blue
Jug Hole
Eagle's Nest...
...am I missing any?
Vortex, Twin, and Hole in the Wall... Twin and Hole you can't walk up to... but the means of reaching them are as easy as pie with Edd on the Mill Pond.
Eagles Nest is a funny thing... access is easy and not controlled, but it really shouldn't be dived by people who aren't Full Cave and Trimix cert'd as well as having some experience in diving with both.
TelfordQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenwood_60
Diepolder
Twin
Hole In The Wall
and a few others. yes some are guide and mix required but still are what I would consider "tourist cave" and I enjoy them as much as the others. :D
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Originally Posted by Bobby
ManateeQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenwood_60
Cow
If you include guide and mix (like Diepolder) then there's a lot more: Alachua, Emerald, Indian etc etc.
Well, it's clearly meant to be a pejorative comment on those of us fortunate enough not to have to live in the economic backwaters of Northern Florida, but given how much better my life is, I don't see much point in complaining... sheesh, with bad restaurants, no entertainment, insects and nothing to do except cave diving, if it makes people there a litte happier to call us "tourists", so be it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby
Well Andrew, I am native Floridian (originally from Tampa Bay) who has lived in New York City, LA and other assorted places and I decided to move back here 17 years ago and I'm still quite happy with my decision.
Granted, I travel a lot for my work but I do not miss the traffic or crowds on the 405, LIE, etc. (And I can just jump in my car to go cave diving not to mention not having to worry about bogus gun laws....)
Hey, I was just pointing out that people shouldnt take offense... I'm supporting you guys!Quote:
Originally Posted by WEPIV
I don't think its going out on a limb at all to say that the south has the best food in the world.
Hahaha... Wait, you're joking, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
Yeah, I hear the Great outdoors has 3 Michelin stars..... NOT!Quote:
Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
Thanks Andrew...!Quote:
Originally Posted by aainslie
Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
I don't think its going out on a limb at all to say that the south has the best food in the world.
Not joking around with my Florida born and raised Southern Grandma...! She could, as she used to say, put the big pot in the little pot. Not sure exactly what that meant but I know her Southern cooking was supreme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenwood_60
Don't get me wrong... the problem with Florida food is not the cooks. I believe the problem is the soil. Everything from tomatoes and strawberries to milk and cheese, simply suck compared to the same from west coast soil. It's nothing personal, you guys were screwed from the start.Quote:
Originally Posted by WEPIV
There is also that whole "warm water seafood" thing... I'll take cold water fish, crab, lobster, etc any day over the crap you get around here... and who eats this Grouper crap?
You can have all that west coast junk and "cold water seafood." That just means there is more of the good stuff for meQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenwood_60
My favorite time of year in south AL, north FL is spring and summer when the tomatoes and strawberries are in locally (ever had a Slocomb tomato?) and I don't have to eat the trucked in bland crap from out west! To each his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenwood_60
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Who's got better?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenwood_60
Luckily, the Great Outdoors doesn't represent the entire south.Quote:
Originally Posted by aainslie
The Pacific Northwest, Mexico and Venezuela to start.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
Pacific NW, thats a joke.
Mexico and Venezuela? Sure if you like your food with a side of child trafficing and drug lords :P
Don't forget e. coli from the piss poor sanitationQuote:
Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
No, grits are a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn
You're right though, so I'll add Cuba and Columbia.
Well you should just go back to wherever you came from if you don't like southern cookin!
Whats that old saying? Something about the difference between a yankee and a damn yankee?
We even have better lookin' women up north!
Haha sureQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenwood_60
And I believe the phrase is
The difference between a Yankee and a Damn Yankee is that the Damn Yankee decided not to leave
And a g**damn Yankee marries your daughter...Quote:
Originally Posted by floridakid
AmenQuote:
Originally Posted by gasdiver
Back on topic, what was the final count?
Manatee, Devil's, Peacock, PIII, Little River, Cow, Telford, Lafayette, Madison...