Little Hart

We dove Little Hart on Saturday morning. The flow in the first 300' was medium compared to what I understand it usually is. (This was my first dive in Little Hart.) After the first 300' the cave opens up and the flow was almost negligible. We were shooting video and going real slow. Turned at the 700' arrow and made a nice easy exit. We had a 38 minute dive, max depth of 73', water temp 72 deg and no deco. The cave is very pristine and does not look like it gets very much traffic. If you ever wanted to dive Little Hart, now is the time because the flow is way down.

Here is a 10 minute video of the dive we made in Little Hart. The lighting is not great, but we are working on that...
http://youtu.be/pDTsmRvGvSY

Good video, looked like a good dive.

Thanks for the report, but I never understand why people insist on taking video on their first venture into a new-to-them cave system. Seems, irresponsible.

It was my first dive there, not the case for my buddy who was shooting the video. As I said, we went very slow and only made a 700' penetration.

My mistake

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Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn

Thanks for the report, but I never understand why people insist on taking video on their first venture into a new-to-them cave system. Seems, irresponsible.

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I don't think this is the case here, but out of curiosity, does the GoPro style "wear the camera" approach change your view at all?

Cheers,
Jeff

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Originally Posted by icestac

I don't think this is the case here, but out of curiosity, does the GoPro style "wear the camera" approach change your view at all?

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Kind of like the aircraft black boxes? Recover the body, and download the camera to find out what went wrong?
:warningskull

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Originally Posted by icestac

I don't think this is the case here, but out of curiosity, does the GoPro style "wear the camera" approach change your view at all?

Cheers,
Jeff

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Definately

Different story if you hit record and forget about it while your hands are free.

Big mistake. As usual you jump in and start criticizing people that you have never dived with and know nothing about their skills or experience. We can walk and chew gum at the same time and in this case swim and carry a small camera. If we had gotten into the system and found the camera to be a safety risk or to overly task load us, we would have either clipped the camera to the line, continued the dive and picked up the camera or just turned the dive.

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Originally Posted by oms121

Big mistake. As usual you jump in and start criticizing people that you have never dived with and know nothing about their skills or experience. We can walk and chew gum at the same time and in this case swim and carry a small camera. If we had gotten into the system and found the camera to be a safety risk or to overly task load us, we would have either clipped the camera to the line, continued the dive and picked up the camera or just turned the dive.

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I don't care who you are, if its your first dive in a new system, and you're using a handheld(thanks for the clarification Jeff), do an evaluation dive before bringing the camera in... Its a simple matter of conservation that most professionals usually adhere to.

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Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn

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You a tough guy in real life too? You should be very careful about what nasty descriptive things you say to people - some don't take well to that sort of thing. Time to ban this jerk permanent.

I just watched the video and really enjoyed it. Thanks, now I know what to expect when I get there.

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Originally Posted by DonJ

You a tough guy in real life too? You should be very careful about what nasty descriptive things you say to people - some don't take well to that sort of thing. Time to ban this jerk permanent.

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Welcome to CDF :P

ban this jerk!

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Originally Posted by LiteHedded

ban this jerk!

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He has been given a warning, and has promised to be nice.

Why can I get called a jerk multiple times in a thread and it doesn't get censored, but if I tell someone to kiss my ass, I get a warning?

Mat,
you know why. What are you trying to prove?
Jerk isn't offensive, Ass is, as is that other comment. You have to know this.
Personally I think your a nice guy and have quite a bit of knowledge, I don't want to see you go, but don't fall on your sword over this, it ain't worth it.

Jerk and Ass are just two different words used as an insult, I'm not sure why they're treated any differently.

A rose by any other name still costs too damned much right? LOL and yeah, now I'm havin fun.

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Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn

... LOL and yeah, now I'm havin fun.

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Yes, but if enough moderators vote to ban you, there isn't much I can do about it. FWIW, a second ban will be a lot longer than a week.

OK, I'll refrain from using the A word and just fall back to calling everyone jerks, since thats apparently perfectly acceptable.


That logic is really mind-boggling, but whatever.

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Originally Posted by SuPrBuGmAn

OK, I'll refrain from using the A word and just fall back to calling everyone jerks, since thats apparently perfectly acceptable.


That logic is really mind-boggling, but whatever.

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Uh, that isn't civil either. I just sent warnings to those that called you names. Be nice :-)

Remember ya'll.... you'll catch more flies with honey than with....

So even if logic is on your side, you aren't going to convince as many people when you torque them off by ranting and raving and calling names. It doesn't make you look good and it really hurts your goals.

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Originally Posted by Squirrel Girl

Remember ya'll.... you'll catch more flies with honey than with....

So even if logic is on your side, you aren't going to convince as many people when you torque them off by ranting and raving and calling names. It doesn't make you look good and it really hurts your goals.

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Bugman,
I don't want to see anyone get banned, but you really should think about what you are saying before you respond. There were a lot of different ways to make your point without implying that my buddy and I are irresponsible. (That's what triggered this whole mess to start with.) It is obvious that you care about the sport and your comment was initiated by a concern for safety. I have no problem with that and appreciate your concern. It seems to me that you have a lot to contribute to the community, but you loose credibility when you post things without thinking about how other people will interpret your remarks. If you don't care what others think, respect will be hard to gain.
-Capel

From your OP, it seemed that you made a video on your first dive there. There was no indication that your buddy had been there previously and was doing all the videoing. IMO, filming with a handheld on your first visit to a site is irresponsible.

You corrected me with clarification on your OP, and I acknowledged that I had made a mistake.

If a bunch of people want to jump on me afterwards for giving a crap, fine. I have no respect for anyone who would like to make excuses for irresponsible behavior in the caves(which you apparently didn't do - kudos).