Is there some kind of "line committee" for Eagles Nest?
Who decides on the location/placement of the lines in there?
Who makes changes/repairs?
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Is there some kind of "line committee" for Eagles Nest?
Who decides on the location/placement of the lines in there?
Who makes changes/repairs?
Try Larry GreenQuote:
Originally Posted by Dsix36
The last major line work that went on at the Nest was in 2007, see here....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dsix36
http://www.cavediver.net/forum/showt...ll=1#post41813
Does anything need repair?
Safe diving,
Rich
Now that I think about it, Joe Citelli and that group relined eagles' nest.
His contact info is: Safety.EaglesNest@nsscds.org
I do not know of any repairs that need to be made.
The jump to the Lock wood tunnel (more of a snap-n-gap) was turned into a T. I disconnected the T on my exit and restored the original line configuration.
I wasn't real sure about stating this publicly and getting a ration of crap over it.
Not giving you a hard time, but at scooter speed, a T is safer than a snap-n-gap. It is easy to miss a snap-n-gap, but a well marked T is easy to navigate at any speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dsix36
Agreed. There really is no reason for any of the back mountable lines at Eagles Nest to be a jump.Quote:
Originally Posted by FW
Don:
The "jump" to the Lockwood Tunnel was installed as a reach gap, (about 6" to a foot), *NOT* a snap and gap. This decision was made after much thought and deliberation. The reach gap was put in so that if you came out in zero viz / no lights you could still easily find the main line, even if you didn't put in a reel or if you somehow got lost. (PLEASE NOTE THAT A REACH GAP DOES NOT RELIEVE DIVERS OF THE RESPONSIBILITY TO INSTALL A GAP REEL.) The main line was wrapped around a large rock next to the Lockwood line. That rock was intentionally placed on flat rock where even the most task loaded diver could easily put in a reel without silting the cave. Probably someone unwrapped the line and left it a gap. Because there is "stretch" to the line it can easily become a snap and gap. This was not the original intent.
Also, if you noticed, there were multiple line arrows both at the gap and 20 or so feet before the gap in all 3 positions on the line. This was done so that when exiting the Lockwood Tunnel in zero viz when you hit the cluster of line arrows you would know you were approaching the gap. If you inadvertently went the wrong way at the gap you would quickly hit another cluster of arrows indicating such and if you went in the correct direction you would hit a cluster of arrows confirming same.
Conversely, if you were exiting from the pit and you somehow wound up on the Lockwood line the over abundance of line arrows would make that clear.
The decision to make it a reach gap and not a TEE was based on the notion that nothing should be TEE'd into a Gold Line. Since the cave was opened to more recreational or touring divers vs exploratory divers we felt that it would be safer to have a continuous main line that was difficult to wander off of. Of course, none of this is to suggest that divers in Eagles Nest are at a recreational level, but even more experienced divers can be overwhelmed by their first dive in a system like Eagles Nest. It's pretty hard to get disoriented if there is only one continuous, adequately marked Gold Line.
Obviously, if there is something about the lines that needs attention please let me know and I will see to it that the situation is corrected by myself or anyone of a network of folks that were involved it the relining project.
Respectfully.
Joe Citelli
Joe,
It's nice to see a thorough explanation of why the line was placed the way, the broader range of issues that had to be considered and the rationale for selecting this particular option as opposed to other possible options.
Thank you!
Quote:
Originally Posted by DA Aquamaster
Joe"s reasoning is spot on and i believe, as someone who dives there a lot both swimming and DPV'ing, that the line should be left as Joe installed
I left the line as Joe installed it with a minor change. The small rock that the Lockwood Tunnel line teminates too (which is on top of the big boulder) was moved a bit further down the gold line. My thinking was to move the loop of line on the small rock away from the arrrow on the gold line. This was how it was "T"ed when I went in.
Joe,
Great explanation, thanks!
Years ago before the gold line was put in it was "T'ed" there. I lived 15 minutes from the Nest and would dive it a lot and would occasionally first go left towards Lockwood Tunnel when I wanted to go down stream. When I first went down steam after the new line was installed I had to stop and verify where I was but quickly appreciated that it was a much better way to set up the lines. Since then I have appreciated the gap especially when running a scooter.
All:
It is nice to hear that most are pleased with the results of our relining project but I must make it clear that this was a group effort that involved quite a few people. Off the top of my head these folks were all involved: Brian Armstrong, Heather Armstrong, Michael Barnette, Corey Mearns, Steve Muslin, Eric Deister, Bert Wilcher, Ben Wilcher, Brett Hemphill, Steve Stratsma, Gene Hobbs plus support from Dive Rite, Halcyon, Salvo, NSS-CDS.
Also, I'd like to acknowledge the unsung hero of this entire endeavor, Kelly Jessop, without whom none of this would have happened.
Respectfully,
Joe Citelli