Beautiful photos of an underwater gypsum crystal cave.
Pretty much the same photos FW posted back in Feb....
http://www.cavediver.net/forum/showt...cave-in-Russia
Thanks Joe, I couldn't remember where I had posted those.
These photos are beautiful too. http://ordacave.ru/gallery/
and http://ordacave.com/index.php?mod=ph...albom=3&page=4
I may have to put Russia on my list of "must see" dive places.Quote:
Originally Posted by Natalia
I already saw them on the internet. The operating manual I came with from the factory clearly state that is don't work in 3C water.Quote:
Originally Posted by FW
It is beautiful though. Have fun with that :)
Cheers,
Jeff
Arg, you are much better at the search function than me! Still as I look at the pics, they are certainly worthy of an encore presentation!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tegg
Vicka dove there and said was too cold
It is warmer sometimes ... 4 CQuote:
Originally Posted by icestac
:rollguyQuote:
Originally Posted by Natalia
FWIW, I have dived under ice, so I would be OK in the caves.
The water looks amazing and beautiful cave!
So much more to see than under the ice but FW is right if you dive under the ice the water temp would be fine.
I must say though the warm water caves spoil myself and others.
Last season our New Years dive back here in OH was unbelievable like suffering shock.
It had been just one week before I was in the 70º temps of FL.
It only took a roaring wood fire and a double shot of Wild Turkey to bring my temp back to normal.
Thanks for sharing photo's and links it amazes me to find caves are all over the world and make me want to visit!
JCG
Wow! Beautiful caves, and some excellent photography. Thanks for sharing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Natalia
+1 on that. I think i will look into it. The problem is I have no cold experience / training.Quote:
Originally Posted by FW
Now I just need the air fare and a way to get the equipment there. We dive 3 - 4 C every winter here. It's the best diving but never that clear. We can do 1 1 1/2 hrs in that temp, not on a scooter. How did I ever get land locked?
Dale
I do not have a lot of experience as a cave diver, but I dive in cold water all the time. I do not think you need any special training. Maybe it’s useful to hold your face in the water for a few seconds before diving. The only difference is that you need the warm clothing (insulation), and sometimes we use argon. Some people use clothes with electric heaters. And maybe, you feel each 1 degree if it’s a very big difference, when the water temperature is below 6 C.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScubaRob
Experience ... Just one thing. You like or you do not like to dive in cold water. :) You know it very quickly.
There are a lot of Russian divers who never dives in Russia. They like to dive, but it should be comfortable. So they dive a few times a year in warmer climates.
There is a dive center near the cave.Quote:
Originally Posted by bletso
http://ordacave.com/index.php?mod=contact&lang=rus
You can book the room, I think.
http://ordacave.com/index.php?mod=ro...urces&lang=rus
But once it gets above 7°C it's downright balmy...Quote:
Originally Posted by Natalia
I was talking to an ice diving instructor one New Year's Eve at Ginnie (when we were complaining about diving in 72°F water and 45°F topside conditions) who told me how they weed out ice diving students. They fill a tub with ice water and you have to put on a mask and snorkel and stick your head down in it for a minute. If you can't handle it you can't take her course.
It's not too bad once your face goes numb - it's that first minute that's the worst!
Looking at my logbook, I see that it's been 6 years since I've done an ice dive, and I have no immediate plans for one.... I'm getting spoiled by Florida caves.
So does this mean that you do not have an interest to join me in diving the True Blue Quarry mineshafts in West Rutland during the Columbus Day weekend? It was a balmy 36 F in the water while 85 F topside!Quote:
Originally Posted by MORGAN
3 c works out to about 37f+ fyi.
Fresh water freezes at 32 F & Salt water freezes at 28f I believe
The worst thing about ice diving is above the surface where you may find high winds & surface temps below zero F ! Exposure is a real concern here. Dry suits are a must {neoprene} & thermo undergarments as well. Once into the water, it is not bad. You're good for about an hour or more of diving below the ice. I've made excursions across frozen lakes, under the ice in mid January when temps were below zero {-17 to be exact} with high winter winds blowing across the ice as well. Talk about freezing the family jewels..it is cold ! I made one dive below lake superior when the ice was just forming. That was interesting. It looked like a glass ceiling as there was no snow cover yet. So, once your inside the caves in the Permafrost of Russia, it would appear to be a pleasant experiance. Definatly cool and I love the photos in this thread. As far as missing the ice diving .....I live in Florida.....I don't miss it ! Ha ! But you have to make the best of your situation where-ever you are located. Very cool thread here. Thank you ! ^_^
Jack
To me, that's worse than 36 F in the water and 60 F topside. By the time I'm geared up and properly insulated for depth, I'm drenched in sweat.....errr.....glistening ;) Comfortable at depth (36-38F), but sweating on deco....that was an experience!Quote:
Originally Posted by ScubaGypsy
I'll reluctantly have to miss it, as I'll be in Florida feeding my cave diving addiction from 10/2 to 10/20. But you go right ahead without me, and have fun! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ScubaGypsy
BTW, my wife and I did the open water dives for our initial scuba certification in True Blue, in April, in wetsuits, with snow on the ground. The first words she uttered upon reaching the surface were, "I'm getting a drysuit!"
Mike
Pretty much what I said after my first ice dive.Quote:
Originally Posted by MORGAN
The worst thing about real cold water is that after awhile if you have to switch regs you will have to use your hands to help close your mouth over the new one. You loose fine jaw movement. Like a previous poster stated, the worst is usually post dive above water. You can get a serious wind burn on your face, or frostbite if you are not careful.
Dale
Quote:
Originally Posted by MORGAN
Pretty much what I said after my first Florida spring dive.Quote:
Originally Posted by FW
A small rubber circle saves lips. I bought it when I was tired to drink cold water just because my mouth could not be closed:)Quote:
Originally Posted by bletso
"The devil (or cold water) is not so terrible as he is painted" :)
Is this made of neoprene? Can you switch regulators with one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Natalia
Attachment 4866
I found this photo on the Internet. I can take a picture of my regulator with this thing in the evening at home. It's made of rubber. It is not neoprene.
So it goes on the regulator then? Any trouble switching regulators?Quote:
Originally Posted by Natalia
no problem. Do you know how the dummy looks? It looks as well.
Some problems with photos, so just links
http://pics.livejournal.com/natalyst.../000k4h9y/g229
http://pics.livejournal.com/natalyst.../000k5d13/g229
Great, thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Natalia