Nestle complains

In today's Wall Street Journal, the Nestle Corporation was reflecting on the downturn in sales of bottled water. I wept for them uncontrollably. I guess all the flavored water drinks sold by so many now don't require the guise of quality spring water in it's mix. Thus the reduction in spring water sales. A gallon of their water costs more than a gallon of refined gasoline............get lost punk azzes. If you are a cave diver and buy spring water.........I don't know what to say to you.

Easy solution to their losses: Pull your stinking well points out of the ground and LEAVE Florida.

For anybody that missd this link I posted last month in another thread:

http://www.dcbureau.org/20090720190/...30-permit.html

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Originally Posted by OutlawCaver

I guess all the flavored water drinks

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Maybe they need to do a massive news story on how I "flavor" the water everytime I dive Madison :rollguy

More people may think twice before drinking bottled water.

Cheers,
Jeff

One of my cave buddies was on a boat out of So FL recently. He was diving his basic cave configuration. The owner of the boat asked my buddy if he was a real cave diver, or just a poser?

My buddy after noticing the bottled water the boat owner was holding answered in a fashion consistant with the southern gentleman that he is, "Well sir, if you'll pardon my language, I am pretty certain I pissed in the water where that bottle came from just last week."

True story :rollguy

You gotta be heck of diver to pee upstream from the Deer's bottling well.

doesnt Nestles water say purified drinking water not well water?

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Originally Posted by OutlawCaver

In today's Wall Street Journal, the Nestle Corporation was reflecting on the downturn in sales of bottled water. I wept for them uncontrollably. I guess all the flavored water drinks sold by so many now don't require the guise of quality spring water in it's mix. Thus the reduction in spring water sales. A gallon of their water costs more than a gallon of refined gasoline............get lost punk azzes. If you are a cave diver and buy spring water.........I don't know what to say to you.

Easy solution to their losses: Pull your stinking well points out of the ground and LEAVE Florida.

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I'm a cave diver and I drink the hell out of the stuff. And just to clarify, spring water withdrawal permits don't allow the company to "pump" from the aquifer, but rather capture a portion of the discharge of the spring. In other words, there is ZERO effect on the potentiometric surface of the aquifer. (Unlike municipal production wells.)

Let me ask you a question... what happens to the water, if Nestle doesn't bottle if from Ginnie Springs?

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Originally Posted by KarsticGator

Let me ask you a question... what happens to the water, if Nestle doesn't bottle if from Ginnie Springs?

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It flows serenely down the river collecting agricultural runoff, septic tank effluent, stormwater from buildings and parking lots, rotting dead animals, tires, a zillion old beer cans, pee from tubers, alligator poop, and other such delights until it merges with the pristine Suwanee river to become the drinking water supply for various towns along the way until it is peacefully flushed into the Gulf, gently flowing into the loop current to mix with the little gift we have received from our friends at BP.

Less discharge will change the characteristics of whatever the spring water feeds into... Lots of rivers have a diverse ecology simply because of the spring water discharge, an ecology that simply wouldn't exist in that area without those levels of spring water contribution.

Some of that discharge enters back into the aquifer sinks/swallets within the run and/or riverbed. Some runs dissappear entirely back into the aquifer. Less of that happens when water bottlers pump it and ship it out of state. :P

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Originally Posted by OFG-1

It flows serenely down the river collecting agricultural runoff, septic tank effluent, stormwater from buildings and parking lots, rotting dead animals, tires, a zillion old beer cans, pee from tubers, alligator poop, and other such delights until it merges with the pristine Suwanee river to become the drinking water supply for various towns along the way until it is peacefully flushed into the Gulf, gently flowing into the loop current to mix with the little gift we have received from our friends at BP.

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I couldn't have said it any better.

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Originally Posted by KarsticGator

I'm a cave diver and I drink the hell out of the stuff. And just to clarify, spring water withdrawal permits don't allow the company to "pump" from the aquifer, but rather capture a portion of the discharge of the spring. In other words, there is ZERO effect on the potentiometric surface of the aquifer. (Unlike municipal production wells.)

Let me ask you a question... what happens to the water, if Nestle doesn't bottle if from Ginnie Springs?

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The residents on Spring Lake in Marianna would differ with your assement of "zero effect" after Zephrhills Bottlers pumped water from one of the springs until you could not move a shallow draft canoe along the lake. I watched 18 wheeled tankers line up along Hwy 167 day and night for several years to syphon off the spring water to haul it south.

I understand they pulled out when they were syphoning more sand than water from the spring......BYE BYE ......SO LONG......SEE YA.

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Originally Posted by OutlawCaver

The residents on Spring Lake in Marianna would differ with your assement of "zero effect" after Zephrhills Bottlers pumped water from one of the springs until you could not move a shallow draft canoe along the lake.

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I can attest for that :/

Dr. Lambe made a lot of money on that deal. Had the pumping station across the street from his house and everything. I knew it was bad when Mr. Jones spring started to have a syphon flow.

Ward

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Originally Posted by OutlawCaver

The residents on Spring Lake in Marianna would differ with your assement of "zero effect" after Zephrhills Bottlers pumped water from one of the springs until you could not move a shallow draft canoe along the lake. I watched 18 wheeled tankers line up along Hwy 167 day and night for several years to syphon off the spring water to haul it south.

I understand they pulled out when they were syphoning more sand than water from the spring......BYE BYE ......SO LONG......SEE YA.

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That's too bad... that was some damn good water.

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Originally Posted by Slüdge

For anybody that missd this link I posted last month in another thread:

http://www.dcbureau.org/20090720190/...30-permit.html

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Hmm... interesting article. Not much science there, but I guess anyone can write blogs these days.

I really liked the part where they implied Nestle threatened to not employ as many people if their permit wasn't held at the original level. It would be comical for a corporation to allow the amount of inputs dictate the level of capital investment in their plant.

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Originally Posted by OutlawCaver

The residents on Spring Lake in Marianna would differ with your assement of "zero effect" after Zephrhills Bottlers pumped water from one of the springs until you could not move a shallow draft canoe along the lake. I watched 18 wheeled tankers line up along Hwy 167 day and night for several years to syphon off the spring water to haul it south.

I understand they pulled out when they were syphoning more sand than water from the spring......BYE BYE ......SO LONG......SEE YA.

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I had family that lived off of 167 but I haven't been there in ages. Has the lake dried up from the bottling plant's efforts? I recall it only being about 300-400' wide at any given point back in the day (1983). It seemed more like a 2 mile long spring run than anything else. I can remember a drought in 1981 or 1982 that pretty much did the same thing as what you're talking about, but after a year or two it was back up to normal. Is it not doing that anymore?

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Originally Posted by Ward Beecher

Dr. Lambe made a lot of money on that deal. Had the pumping station across the street from his house and everything. I knew it was bad when Mr. Jones spring started to have a syphon flow.

Ward

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Frankly, you can only have a gun pointed at you so many times until you reach a point that you don't care if the damn lake dries up and a giant sinkhole swallows three of four of these obnoxious bastards houses.

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Originally Posted by GatorCaver

I had family that lived off of 167 but I haven't been there in ages. Has the lake dried up from the bottling plant's efforts? I recall it only being about 300-400' wide at any given point back in the day (1983). It seemed more like a 2 mile long spring run than anything else. I can remember a drought in 1981 or 1982 that pretty much did the same thing as what you're talking about, but after a year or two it was back up to normal. Is it not doing that anymore?

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I'm from that area... or right across the state line. And I know of several springs that dried up, not from water bottlers, but from those evil peanut farmers. And to top if off, they even have an annual carnival to celebrate their benefit to the local economy. The audacity.

OFG would you be our sacrificial lamb and draw fire from the shore while the rest of us go diving?

If someone points a gun at me or pulls out a knife, they should,

a) be ready to use it
b) make damn sure I am dead

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Originally Posted by OFG-1

Frankly, you can only have a gun pointed at you so many times until you reach a point that you don't care if the damn lake dries up and a giant sinkhole swallows three of four of these obnoxious bastards houses.

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You left out an apostrophe.

:rollguy

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Originally Posted by KarsticGator

Let me ask you a question... what happens to the water, if Nestle doesn't bottle if from Ginnie Springs?

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It fills estuaries in the Gulf, it provides groundwater wells (how many have gone dry in Gilchrist county alone? how many went dry at Ginnie?), it prevents sinkholes (hydrostatic pressure in the karst), etc. And you are DEAD wrong about water extraction from the aquifer having no potentiometric effect (look at Pasco county, discharge at Weeki Wachee, number of sinkhole occurrences).

But hey, water is too cheap anyway. Many think it will go to $10 a gallon in the near future.

Keep drinking the snake oil. Tests done between Miami-Dade public water and bottled water showed that bottled water contained extremely high levels of fecal matter...So you have a trifecta...Tasty water, crap and piss...

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Originally Posted by DeepSea

And you are DEAD wrong about water extraction from the aquifer having no potentiometric effect (look at Pasco county, discharge at Weeki Wachee, number of sinkhole occurrences).

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The exponential population growth of the Pinellas/Pasco/Hernando county region had absolutely nothing to do with this, correct? It was all Zephyrhills fault?

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Originally Posted by DeepSea

But hey, water is too cheap anyway. Many think it will go to $10 a gallon in the near future.

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Really? Nestle is trading at $45 today, with water at $2/gallon. Perhaps I should go long on NSRGF!

In all seriousness, I think many people live in a complete vacuum, and think that water bottlers are the culprit for groundwater levels falling. The real reason, is LOCAL population growth. It's not the number of bottles shipped to GA that are making wells run dry. It's irresponsible use of local, municipal water... and the increase in demand.

Quite a bit of that municple water usage ends up right back into the aquiffer.

The problem with bottled water is that it gets shipped elsewhere...

Now we have a little agreement. I never stated that it was Zephyrhills fault -- Hell I dive with the guy that put the pipe in. It am speaking about unneeded water depletion from the aquifer. You are correct about the water moving out of state -- once it is gone we cant reclaim it for any purpose. Again, I direct you to the questions regarding well depletion; hopefully you have pondered those questions. The Ginnie wells went dry because they bottled all the water and reclaimed none!

Take a look a Pasco, a new development (Sunwest Harbourtowne) near Wayne's World and Horseshoe and at The Jewel, Double Keyhole and Isabella has had a DRI (Developments of Regional Impact are large-scale developments that are likely to have regional effects beyond the local government jurisdiction in which they are located) approved for 3,800 homes. The USGS and developers flat out DENY that The Jewel exists.

Recently, concrete from a sinkhole fill job was introduced into the Beacon Woods Cave System at Wayne's World (in the Bear Room). It was experienced when progressing through the Tourist Trap. Wayne's World (School Sink) is an entrance to the Beacon Woods Cave System that is a CDS owned property and I am sure this is the first time many CDS members are even hearing about this.

Keep pulling the water out (for bottling, inconsistent growth, changing DRIs, etc) and this will also continue. Nestle has been arrogant about bottled water and now must find something to replace bottled water. Bottled water replaced flat/slumping soda sales.

Watch this video - The Story of Bottled Water

I carry a water filter that attaches to Nalgene bottles...It might be a hassle but it helps.

Walter

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Originally Posted by KarsticGator

The exponential population growth of the Pinellas/Pasco/Hernando county region had absolutely nothing to do with this, correct? It was all Zephyrhills fault?

Really? Nestle is trading at $45 today, with water at $2/gallon. Perhaps I should go long on NSRGF!

In all seriousness, I think many people live in a complete vacuum, and think that water bottlers are the culprit for groundwater levels falling. The real reason, is LOCAL population growth. It's not the number of bottles shipped to GA that are making wells run dry. It's irresponsible use of local, municipal water... and the increase in demand.

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Aquifers are not the only thing to consider. I believe that a large portion of plastic, disposable drinking water bottles are not recycled, but are thrown into landfills, sinkholes, ditches, the ocean, etc. I cringe when I see people tossing recyclable goods in the trash. I used to drink quite a bit of bottled water, and my boss was always taking my bottles and throwing them in the trash for me, even when I put my name on them, and asked her not to, making it clear that I kept the bottles for reuse. Left to my own devices, I reused the bottles until they sprung a leak, then recycled them properly.

and the plastic bottles make great puppy chew toys..keeps him busy for hours! unfortunately, now he's big enough that when he sees a water bottle on the table or counter, he assumes it's his to chew!

ps: we buy bottled water, then refill with water from our home purifyer (until they get holes or the dog chews them, then they get recycled).

skip

recycling is hard.

living in the sticks, until last year if we wanted to recycle we had to take a 2 hour round trip. now we can recycle certain things for pick up, but not cardboard. i mean, geez, cardboard is not recycleable here?! at least paper is. and plastics 1 & 2, but no other numbers.

anyway, so we end up doing more repurposing. old newspapers go to the animal shelter, old magazines go to the nursing home, etc.

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Originally Posted by DeepSea

Watch this video - The Story of Bottled Water

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I linked to that video on Facebook - you're not on FB, are you?

Anyway, thanks for the link.

No I am not...I had this on my home page (http://www.tampadiving.com) and linked it on Twitter. It really is a great video.

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Originally Posted by Slüdge

I linked to that video on Facebook - you're not on FB, are you?

Anyway, thanks for the link.

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Originally Posted by skip

we buy bottled water, then refill with water from our home purifyer (until they get holes or the dog chews them, then they get recycled).

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Try Nalgene bottles...you can even get BPA free ones now.

I went to work for a well known company as a home water purifier salesman. During training, I was paired with one of the old hands who was the top rep for his area/district. He took me out with him to an area which he plotted by locating a cemetery and targeting the neighborhoods nearby. We then proceeded to conduct in home 'water purity' tests which basically involved dipping a test strip in the tap water, looking at it in amazement, and then smelling it, making a disgusted face and then asking the question...

"Is there a graveyard near here?"

You can imagine the results. Talk about manufacturing demand.

Zero! I don't see how that is possible. And most rational people wouldn't consider the Suwannee River a waste! Check out Blue Gold- World Water Wars. It's a documentary, and it's a good overview of what is happening. I agree that overpopulation is the #1 problem, but that's a pretty lame excuse to allow this kind of thievery. Jeb bankrupted our states finances, and tried to get our water too! The SJRWMD has a plan to pump water from the Ocklawaha River so developers can keep stacking houses on top of one another. The City of Rockledge is planning on pumping their sewage effluent into the aquafir as a cheaper way of disposing of it! Even my dog is smart enough to not crap in her water dish!
As far as poor Tommy Green goes, it sounds like " Somebody Done Hoodooed the Hoodoo Man"!

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Originally Posted by KarsticGator

I'm a cave diver and I drink the hell out of the stuff. And just to clarify, spring water withdrawal permits don't allow the company to "pump" from the aquifer, but rather capture a portion of the discharge of the spring. In other words, there is ZERO effect on the potentiometric surface of the aquifer. (Unlike municipal production wells.)

Let me ask you a question... what happens to the water, if Nestle doesn't bottle if from Ginnie Springs?

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It flows to the Santa Fe. The Santa Fe empties into the Suwannee near Branford. The Suwannee is a major Florida river which empties into the Gulf of Mexico. It is an ecosystem in need of protection. The Suwannee estuarine system depends on a precise amount of fresh water to keep it healthy, as do all estuarine systems. The timing, duration, and distribution of fresh water is essential to the health of a natural eco-system. Bottling isn't only a question of depleting the aquifer - it's also a question of the amount of fresh water making it through the system and out to the estuaries.