dont know if you already know about this but Feb 9 @ 8PM show on extreme cave diving............. exploration of some caves in the Bahamas
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dont know if you already know about this but Feb 9 @ 8PM show on extreme cave diving............. exploration of some caves in the Bahamas
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That link is for KPBS. Be sure to check your local PBS listing for the time!
http://video.pbs.org/video/1398380542/
Additional Airdates
Wed Feb 10th at 9pm on WLIW21
Thu Feb 11th at 1:30am on Thirteen
Thu Feb 11th at 9am on WLIW World
And many of the NOVA shows end up in the onlie PBS video library, but no idea if this one will.
AND I HAVE TO WORK TONIGHT!!!!! AHHHHGRH! :smt086
And would you belive that nobody around here has a VHS, DVD recorder or Tivo? I had no idea that I'd miss technology once I got down here, until there was actually something worth seeing on TV!
(I'd kill for a MP4 or WMV, if anybody manages to get a copy off TV tonight)
Sweet. I just used my iPhone and set Direct TV to record. Working a class tonight, but I wont miss it now!
According to Jersey Jersey's link, it will be avilable online.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danseur
Jill says it'll be for sale around May. But that's a *long* time to wait! :smt048
I set all 3 DVR,s.
All I see on my screen right now is some bird crap.... :P
(pun intended)
For those who can't see it and don't DVR it, it looks like you can view it online starting on Feb 10 -- http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/cavedive/
It started out great. The first four words the narrator spoke were, "In the Caribbean Sea..." Hey, genius, the Bahamas are in the Atlantic Ocean.
wow this sucks I really really want to see this but I can't get PBS in the DR, does anyone know if I can order the program on DVD?
It will be online tomorrow on PBSQuote:
Originally Posted by phillip1
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2010/feb/05...e-cave-diving/
Did anyone else get audio interuptions, or was that just my local station?
I had problems up here in Cobb too. Both the HD and SD version.Quote:
Originally Posted by FW
So, what did everybody make of it?
No problems. Good show, too much science, not enough diving!
Overly dramatic, probably to "sell" it to the general public, but very well done. Thanks Brian, Wes, Jill, and all the rest of the film crew!Quote:
Originally Posted by NEON
Some great footage, but definately some drama in there :) LOL
I enjoyed it alot.
No image problems here in the hotel in PA. Great photography, and very tastefully put together.
I enjoyed all the science they threw in, especially since it wasn't a bunch of politically correct crap!
WJH
Drama - Rama indeed. Managed to get my folks really upset.
I thought it was very well done. It was a good representation of cave diving to the general public, even if it was more dramatic at certain points. I too would have wished there was more diving than science, but I definitely can see the audience appeal for the discovery aspect.
Applogies for the drama. That is not what we wanted to shoot. Editors created a lot of the crap and over the top sensationalism. I don't remember any cave collapses, but I may have been looking the wrong way.
Sawmill sink does not open up into a huge passage like that either. Lots of footage from one place was added for effect in another place. This is pretty standard for editing. You could also see a diver one moment on CCR the next moment supposedly same dive, they are in side mount. Really wish they could have concentrated on the awesome formations and air clear water rather than the freaking silt bottom of one site.
The best part of all of this is that we got significant exloration and research funds from National Geographic. The film deal was a requirement to get the funds.
Glad it's over and now we can move forward with some exploration and real research.
Thanks to those who watched. Forrest, I had no audio issues here at all....sorry.
Safe diving,
Brian
Forrest, I had glitches from WJSP in Warm Springs, but it was probably a Georgia Public Television thing.
that's awesome newsQuote:
Originally Posted by Brian Kakuk
I really enjoyed the show. I can look past the drama, artistic license and all that. The photography was excellent and I enjoed the science that was included. Great job by everyone involved! Thanks :clapper:clapper:clapper:clapper:clapper
I disliked the program. But then again, I have never seen a program about an activity I participate in that I liked. Most of the time they over dramatize it "Oh my God!!! a Cave in!!!!" and focus on things that I could not care about.
"Good dives are the ones you survive".... Over the top sensationalism.
Reminds me of the news media coming out after we had a skydiving fatality (jump plane really). They interviewed me and I went into detail about the problem the plane had, the issues in general....ect. Then they filmed a guy walking to the plane, when he saw he was on camera, he yelled, "Yehaw.... SKYDIVE!!!!!"
Which do you think made the 11 o'clock news?
One out of every ten rebreathers sold kill someone?
I know what you mean. But I have to say, the Blue Springs, AK video was really, really good. It had less of the for-the-general-public stuff about cave diving, I thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by ssmdive
That's an aside. I thought they did a great job on the NOVA program. The filming was great. Kenny's always funny. Nice stuff that I never seen in Florida!
The audio started modulating here about 2/3's through the show. I liked it overall, even with the percolation "collapsing" on the divers. I'd like to see a 'making of' featurette for it. I find with a lot of the IMax shows I watch the making of runs twice as long and has better footage. Plus they tend to show the actual sequence of events and how they use it dramatize the show.
No audio issues from WEDU Ch 3 in Tampa. I really enjoyed the balance of the show and the stunning video work. The sensationalism was somewhat expected, and in reality is probably closer to what the general public thinks about cave diving, no matter how many times you can try to convince them otherwise.
I have several non-diving friends who were going to watch and I think the content will appeal to them as well. My family was not at home, so I didn't have to deal with that issue. Just me and the 54" plasma :)
Great job by all!
John
I enjoyed it. My wife, a non diver said it was very good. Thanks to Brian, Wes, and others for getting a positive cave diving message out there!
Yeah, my Wife heard that and looked at me with a bad look in her eye and said, "Didn't you want one of those?"Quote:
Originally Posted by scububa
I enjoyed it as well, especially the science. The footage was very cool and it was good to see some of the sites I have read about (Sanctuary, etc.)
My wife did cut her eyes at me several times when " the most dangerous sport in the world" stuff was said, and the silt up/cave in scene, but I explained the hyping up of that stuff. Like most have said, they are targeting the general public when they produce this stuff not for real cave divers and we can understand that.
Thanks to Brian and all for giving us the heads up...I would never have know if it weren't mentioned here on the forum.
Congrats to Brian, Wes, Jill and everyone else involved. I thought it was an excellent program with high production values and enough entertainment content to keep the general public enthralled! I thought it was awesome! Glad to see some higher quality cave footage make it out into the general population!
Thanks for you efforts.
Regards,
Randy
The drama was over the top, I got a lot of looks from my wife. But the footage was great.
Well, it may motivate me to buy the DVD :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Slüdge
That is because you didn't pay money to their monthly money raising telethons,and get the free Peach State Latte mug with Biscotti.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slüdge
Actually I had problems too,so I think it was feed problem too throughout the whole GPB network.
Sorry guys, but ten minutes in and I had had enough dribble. Maybe I didn't give it enough time, but I found the most dangerous sport angle coupled with thrill seeking addicts a bit over the top.
Dale
Yea, I didn't care much for the "Twenty cave divers a year die". We haven't had rates that high, since the '70s.Quote:
Originally Posted by bletso
That statisitic is probably very accurate. Now if you said 20 cave divers a year die in caves,then there is an inaccuracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by FW
When I started watching I kept wondering when they were going to get past all the drama. It was like enough already about the silt, entanglement, redundencies, hydrogen sulfide , and on and on. Let's get to the good stuff. They finally did but couldn't resist mixing in some more as the show went on. Even the top side flora will kill you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Kakuk
Agreed. I really was impressed with formations and the beauty of the caves. There were some spectacular shots that looked great on my plasma. Reminded me of why I love cave diving, not that I needed to be reminded :yawinkle:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Kakuk
Great job. :clapper
Great photography and I liked the science side of it but way too much drama.
Certainly not in the US. A bad year seems to be about 4. Is anyone tracking world deaths?Quote:
Originally Posted by FW
Yes, the melodrama was something you would expect from a production shown on NBC or CBS or the like. One would expect a different angle from PBS.Quote:
Originally Posted by mmcauliffe
Or not, I guess.
Yeah, my wife heard that one too!Quote:
Originally Posted by scububa
Thanks for the great job Brian. I did notice some of the continuity problems which kind of makes me crazy. But I work in video production so those types of things stand out to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Kakuk
No audio issues here in Mo. either...
Overall I enjoyed the show alot...
Phil
Enjoyed it, but they didn't really concentrate on the Extreme Diving. Wish they would of gone over the whole Accident Analysis versus just the guideline. I think they could talked more about the diving instead of the science. Other than that, I enjoyed it and recorded it on the DVR. :yawinkle:
i just wish they'd show more of the cave.
sensationalize it all you want. I wanted to see more cave!
It appears that I was not alone feeling that the sport was given some bad publicity. If you felt that the program was far from objective then we all could leave some feedback for the producers and editors.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/feedback/comment.html
It has nothing to do with Brian, the cameramen, the expedition divers or the scientists. I greatly appreciate their efforts and thank them for all the hard work. It has to do with the production and editing.
Think about it this way - it is supposed to be a documentary - thus, somewhat balanced and unbiased - we happen to have some knowledge on this subject so we could ignore the gobs of misinformation and sensationalist spin.
Now, how about subjects we are not entirely familiar with? Is that the quality of documentary broadcasting we are to live with? Remember – This particular TV station receives some of its funding from “…viewers like you…” We should be able to have a say about what we feel quality television should look like.
This is such a hard subject to get them to broadcast anyway. So let's not leave to much negative feedback. It is great that it made it this far. Perhaps the next one can be more accurate.
Brian - Excellent, Excellent work.... Kudos to yourself, Wes, Jill et. al. We had no difficulties in theQuote:
Originally Posted by Brian Kakuk
NY WNET feed area, even with the bad weather (which is more than I can say for the CBS NY feed) :mad:
I sympathize in re: the "drama" issue and appreciate that you and Wes/Jill etc. wanted to "DIR" ;-).
At times, it did seem like an "all danger... all the time" kind of message. I think it's further evidence of the
underlying prejudice about cavern/cave divers and what we do, within the non diving community. I've
felt it myself for a long time before I was "reborn" :-). Sadly, some of my extended family are perfect
examples of it, constantly pestering me about the danger. They won't let me get anywhere near our
young ones with a reg set (they're still too young anyway... only 13/10), but you get the idea.
Fear of the "unknown" etc.
I hope someday there'll be a bit more "balance" in the presentations (ie. "Yes, it's dangerous, but
if you pay attention, follow 'the rules' etc. etc., it can and does work") sort of thing.... As for
the "scientific vs. diving" content balance, well... it is "Nova/PBS" so I would expect there to be
more scientific stuff.
Now, if we only had the "Cave diving Channel.........." :-D
Quote:
Originally Posted by scububa
Sticker-Shock???
Great job on the filming and diving. I enjoyed the scientific side of it all. I could certainly have enjoyed it just as much if they played background music instead of talking the sensationalist stuff, but it was not my money. I can't wait to make it over that direction myself one day.
Quote:
Originally Posted by scububa
Nope, one out of ten RB diver's did not tell their wife before purchasing said RB... They never said they died while in the water.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleric
Cheers,
Jeff
Love It!:smt081Quote:
Originally Posted by icestac
If you missed the show, you can watch all 52 minutes of it in a little box on your computer at:
http://video.pbs.org/video/1405567128/
Another thing that struck me, is there they were, diving with incredibly complex, high tech rebreathers, but taking Sterilite boxes and milk crates in to the caves to collect their samples! :yawinkle:
Fer real...they didn't use near enough duct tape or zip ties...and they call themselves cave divers :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Girl
Like a few others have mentioned from their perspectives. I have worked in television from time to time. The sensationalism sells soap. I might have expected a bit more from PBS, but it is still television.
I am really glad my wife was not in the room when the footage of the 70's era divers remains were shown. Good mentions about the lack of redundancy in his gear configuration, probably enough detail for the general public, but I might have liked some more detail about how things have change in modern cave diving.
The place to make our objections know is at the Producer level. They hire the writers, and have final say on the general tone of a work, as well as the details. In my opinion they dropped the ball on the stuff we all noticed. The continuity mistakes did aggravate me, but I understood how they happen.
The quality of the camera work was excellent. It is really hard to light for footage like this, and I think you guys did an excellent job given all of the limitations that there are on a project like this one. In a commercial motion picture things are different, meaning that they can throw money at a problem. It does not always mean that the problem gets solved, just that there are usually more resources at the Director of Photography's disposal.
I saved it on my DVR, although there were some digital transmission pixelation issues. The storm last night might have had a little to do with that.
Kudos to those here who worked on the project. I know what parts you were responsible for and those parts looked great. The next time I watch it I might just turn the sound OFF. Then it would be a lot closer to what it sounds like when I am in a cave. :)
Mark Vlahos
10 in 10 of cave divers dies someday bummer... What camera stabilization is used to capture clips like this? Gyro-stabilized platform? Is is camera integrated or housing integrated? How many divers total needed to shoot scenes like those? How often gyroscopes are charged...Are lights pre-set or carried by support? What power lights are used?
No offense to the divers, but I am not so sure it was a positive message.Quote:
Originally Posted by GLENFWB
1. Showing a dead diver.
2. Talking about cave ins.
3. One out of every ten rebreathers sold kill someone.
4. Twenty cave divers a year die.
5. Deadly hydrogen sulfide.
6. Most dangerous sport in the world.
Makes us all sound crazy... Good for picking up a chick in a bar, but the kinda chicks I used to try and pick up in bars didn't know what PBS was.:yawinkle:
All the card collectors will be showing up in droves...this is just what they want. They will take a class, maybe pass it and never cave dive again. Then the'll move onto chasing a wheel of cheese down a hill or trying to outrun bulls. But they can puff their chest out at cocktail parties and tell everybody how bad-ass they are. :rollguyQuote:
Originally Posted by ssmdive
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Originally Posted by ARY
I wonder if they could be using image stabilization (electronic processing) versus a gyro based unit.
I would guess sensor shift image stabilization, but I'm not super in the know as far as video goes.
I would also guess that as big as Wes's camera is that it kind of stabilizes itself. Not as easy to shake around a big housing like that in the water. Wish I had that problem with my camera... :)
I enjoyed the program, and we had no audio or visual glitches here in the PNW.
I wish there had been less on the danger and risk, but I also realize that I'm a bit hypersensitive to the topic. I wonder if a non-diver watching the show (and that's who it was made for) would have been as struck by it?
However that is, as usual, Wes Skiles' photography blew me away. I'm always delighted to be able to see his photographs or video; it's the next best thing to being there :) Diving in the Bahamas was already on my radar, from the on-line videos of places like Dan's Cave, and this documentary just got me drooling even more.
All I wanted to know was did they recover the remains of the 70's era diver or just leave it as a grave site? I would hope the recoverey would have been made.
In another thread, Brian said the family wanted to leave him there.Quote:
Originally Posted by huvr
I'm only partway through it, but twice already I've noticed arrows and cookies just kinda lying around on the ground...
Cookies are used as fossil site markers and those sites have been surveyed into the map in Compass 32, so we can see spatial orientation of all the material sites...over 100 in sawmill alone...54 crocodile, 15 tortoise, tons of other stuff, so yes, lots of cookies laying around.Quote:
Originally Posted by JahJahwarrior
I just saw that my local PBS station is re-running this again tonight at 11 PM. I'm setting the VCR to catch this tonight.
Interesting. That makes some sort of sense. Thanks for explaining!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Kakuk
I think it's a helluva lot better than the cave diving sequences in the Imax flick, "Journey into amazing caves," where theres a silt cloud following the divers around (I liked that one too).
If you watch the recovery of the skull closely, they pull the skull out, drop a marked cookie in the depression the skull came from and then put the skull in a bag.Quote:
Originally Posted by JahJahwarrior
Really enjoyed the archeology and geology presented in the show - not to mention the great cave videography! Need to make a trip to the Bahamas!
I let the drama go in one ear and out the other as I know TV producers feel they need to do that for some reason. EXCELLENT cinematography and it is always great too see top cave scientists/explorers who constantly -day in -day out =put back into the karst knowledge base .I hope the show provides the scientists and cave explorers with much needed money for projects and expeditions.
I always enjoy being able to read exploration logs and read maps-so I am always thankful for any portion of an expedition that gets shared.
I watched this show with three of my neighbors...they know I cave dive, but it's not something I've ever really discussed at length with any of them.
I was cringing a little at the overly dramatic narration, but noticed that the others in the room were absolutely bug-eyed at the images being shown. so, that helped demonstrate that the show wasn't made for 'us,' it was made for a lay audience.
one person asked if I had ever dived 'that deep' (260-ish) in a cave...when I replied that I've been almost 100' deeper, I got a nod and a knowing look that imparted an unspoken opinion that 'you, my good man, are EFFIN insane.'
had to smile a bit on that one...
oh, and it cracks me up that there was a comment about the show presenting 'too much' science....please, if facts regarding the environment you're diving in hurts your brain, you can always find a sitcom or some Family Guy reruns to watch.
My wife watched it with me, and before it started she asked if I really wanted her to watch.
She knows the risks involved with diving and even cave diving, but she knows it is something I love and will continue to do despite the risks.
She did mention a couple times about how it sounded like they were trying to scare someone into not cave diving. It was funny, she was actually more worried about me going through a hydrogen sulfide layer than the actual cave dive itself.
I was very proud of her when they showed the dead diver and she mentioned (before it was said) that he probably didn't have a line or the proper equipment. She isn't a diver, but she sure as heck knows the "rules" of cave diving.
I really enjoyed the program...wish it had more diving but that is just the cave diver in me talking.
I worry about those too. Some can hurt your eyes, skin, and even gear. I have had to rebuild regs after diving through that junk.Quote:
Originally Posted by MedCop
I think one area where heavy dramatics are good is where the show makes an effort to scare people. I say it's good because if they just show pretty caves and make it look easy to go into then some untrained idiot(s) who think they know what they're doing are gonna do just that and add to the statistics pool.
The boss down at my customer's, commented on watching the NOVA show when we got back to work yesterday for the first time since the snow. He said it wasn't nearly so gave-me-the-willies as the Blue Springs video with deepairmike!
:clapper
Fair point, but sometimes it's the wrong people that get scared. People like family members (spouses/parents etc.) that won't want you to participate in the sport due to their fear (not necessarily yours), as well as government/regulatory officials that may start regulating our activities without even consulting us for input, or land owners who may close access to the caves over legal liability concerns without giving us input or consideration! And all simply because they're so scared, they don't want to bother to take the time to understand it, or us....Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Hammer
It's not the ones that get scared away from the sport in re: themselves that worry me. It's the ones that get so scared they want to keep me and the rest of us away from it........... for "our own good!" :roll:
Long before this NOVA my brother would cut out newspaper articles on cave diving related deaths and mail them to me pleading for me to stop my "reckless" behavior. After NOVA my wife speaks with "clear knowledge and authority" about the dangers of my sport to everyone and urges THEM to talk some sense into me.Quote:
Originally Posted by mag3
I learned my mistakes and won't ask her to join me for anymore cave diving TV shows.
And that's the thing.... The only "cave diving TV shows" being produced these days, it seems, are those that play to that fear.... "All Danger.... All the time."Quote:
Originally Posted by metaldector
Like I say... we need the "Cave Diving Channel!" :-D We need shows produced out there which say, "Yes, it's dangerous, but if you get the proper training, and follow all the rules and dive within your limits and experience, you go home at EOD!"
I guess that kind of show doesn't bring home the ratings.... :smt102
I think you are watching the "TCDC" right now, and it would still scare "civilians" :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by mag3
Perhaps, but at least we get to control the message a bit better... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by FW
Did anybody else catch the "science" implication in the show? The suggestion was that we are experiencing a trend of global warming experienced before, and the implication is that the bahamas and many coastal cities may soon be under water. How's that for drama?
It wasn't all danger all the time. It was overly dramatic at some points, but the majority of the show wasn't about the risk of certain death as I remember it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mag3
Yes. I thought that was interesting. The level of sand from the deserts, etc being an indicator. You don't have to worry though, that science and research stuff is all bunk. Global warming is a myth :)Quote:
Originally Posted by underwaterjedi
Chris
Maybe for you and I, but I think the "civilians" (those who think we're crazy for doing this) will see it that way (ie. only remember the danger parts)...Quote:
Originally Posted by cmalinowski
It doesn't matter if it's cave diving or sky diving or lion taming, perceived danger from the point of view of those that don't know or understand will always be ripe for the plunder by the media.
This is why I believe it's important in a relationship to establish trust. "Trust that I will do what's right for 'us', including keeping myself as safe as possible, within reason." This may mean in my driving, my diving, or in controlling my urge to explain the subtleties of Mozart to a gang of rappers hanging out in a really gnarly part of Orlando.
A family member once told me, "I don't know anything about this cave diving stuff and it looks really dangerous to me. I trust you though, and know that you'll be smart about it and do it right." In return, I promised to always follow safe diving practices and listen to my gut.
Maybe if the wives in these threads were presented with it like that, it would help. ? I dunno...never had a wife :smt081
We produced such a doc. "blue spring into the unknown" it didn't sell yet you can get the DVD from nss-cdsQuote:
Originally Posted by mag3
That video ROCKS! I especially like it when Mike pulls the rocks out of his pockets, and the look on her face! Priceless!Quote:
Originally Posted by deepairmike
Yes, Mike didn't over play the danger so families wouldn't get scared. However any cavediver watching it would be scared out of their wits!Quote:
Originally Posted by deepairmike
I wasn't scared so much as thinking...."Mike IS NUTS! Who in their right mind would ..."Quote:
Originally Posted by FW
Plus, I love the humor that's injected throughout. Even though it's a serious topic, and a serious accomplishment, the video is fun.
And he is NUTS! Brilliant, but completely off his rocker. :smt081
Precisely. I guess my point is that the media are plundering us (the divers) by controlling the message, and spinning it in the direction that brings them more ratings, regardless of what it may cost us divers. And usually, it's media that *aren't* divers themselves that tend to over emphasize the danger, IME. Hence, my call for the "Cave diving channel" (ie. productions where we control the spin). We won't convince everyone, certainly not the hard core skeptics, but at least we're doing all we can to put our message out, along with, if not in place of theirs.Quote:
Originally Posted by sskasser
Again, FTR, this is nothing against Brian, Wes, or Jill etc. They did a fantastic job. And the stuff I've seen Wes/Jill do where they were also the "writers / producers" is spot on... an excellent example being the "Waters Journey" DVD series (I own the "Hidden Rivers of Florida" DVD). Just the right amount of emphasis on everything... And more importantly, the right "spin." May they produce many more.... and get mainstream TV airtime!
I wish most of my family were as trusting as yours.... Once they've made up their minds, they'll never want to learn enough about it to be able to trust.... And shows like this Nova one with "over emphasis" on the danger won't help point them towards the "trusting" direction.... Although, as you know from our PMs, I am making some in-roads... :yawinkle:Quote:
Originally Posted by sskasser
You know, the best thing I do to allay my mother's fears is I take her on day trips to the springs about once a year. She's been to Jackson Blue, Peacock, Little River, and Madison Blue. She's an open water diver herself, and she loves to talk to the other divers and watch us gear up for the dives. She doesn't even mind it when I scooter solo.
As it turns out, my mother is one of the few in my family that does understand, having been OW'ed herself some 20 years ago, long before it was ever a "gleam in my eye." :-D She no longer dives due to medical/physical reasons, and she does have her concerns for me in re: caving. But, as with Shirley's family members, she does "trust."Quote:
Originally Posted by Slüdge
Unfortunately for me, the family members that express the most concern live the furthest away, and would have no interest in "day tripping." Like I say, once they make up their minds...... :smt102
Let's see buried by a rock slid with 10 min. Of air who wouldn't stop to pick out pretty rocks. What's nuts is I went back the next week and got buried again!!Quote:
Originally Posted by sskasser
After I first met Mike at the workshop last year, he wrote saying, "You're crazy like we are." I said, "I'll take that as a compliment." THEN I watched the Blue Springs video. Oh no I'm *not*!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by sskasser
I've read your book. Oh yes you *are*!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Girl
TRUE DAT!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by slüdge
BTW...What the hell is wrong with all caps now and then, and why won't this dang editor LET ME type just "TRUE DAT" and leave it in all caps? It lets me if I add THIS sentence, but when I only had "TRUE DAT!!!" without the extra verbiage, it changes it to "true dat!!!!!" which is not nearly so emphatic. Sigh. It's like a Monday.
What meds are you taking, will you share?Quote:
Originally Posted by sskasser
:rollguyQuote:
Originally Posted by deepairmike