where do you get your line?

ok...so empty spools or just extra line...the coloured stuff...sure, home depot & lowes sell that braided nylon stuff cheap. but I've seen it...it's cheapo stuff. if you like coloured line, where are you getting it? Someone kindly referred me to Reef Scuba. anyone use it? It's about $15 for a lb of that stuff. any good?
I don't want cheapo line on my spools...nothing that's gonna snap. do you use 18# or 24# for your spools?
24# white probably for the reels, yes?
I'm not really looking for white....I happen to like the colours.

I use #24 braided nylon twine line from, http://www.nylonnet.com
it is the same stuff you get from DR etc..
I use white but I think they sell it in different colors .

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I use #24 braided nylon twine line from, http://www.nylonnet.com
it is the same stuff you get from DR etc..
I use white but I think they sell it in different colors .

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thank you! is this the one you use: http://www.nylonnet.com/merchandise/...d=1567&cat=473?

if you are looking for line for your mini spools go with 18, because I have 22' of 18 on those spools and thats about the max you can have and still be easy to clip snaps off to them. I just got a link from a buddy, have to find it, but they sell 18-72 in 1lb spools but it white line. You could always die it yourself.

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if you are looking for line for your mini spools go with 18, because I have 22' of 18 on those spools and thats about the max you can have and still be easy to clip snaps off to them. I just got a link from a buddy, have to find it, but they sell 18-72 in 1lb spools but it white line. You could always die it yourself.

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that's one of the uses but I figured #18 for the minis - I'm thinking for bigger. thanks for the tip - be great if you find the link.

http://www.sterlingnets.com/twine.html

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I have 22' of 18 on those spools and thats about the max you can have

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I'm going to have to pick at you a little here. The whole purpose of the mini spools is for the 2' and 3' jumps that you would otherwise be tempted to make visual jumps. I don't currently own any of them, but when I get some I expect to put maybe ten feet of line max on them.

We are testing a new type of cave line. So far, it is looking very good. I have used it on my primary reel so far, but it should work well for jumps also.

It was developed by the US Deep Cave Team, for exploration in Mexico (J2). It is about the size of #24 nylon, but made differently. It has a core of parallel strands, with a sheath woven over it. It is made much like climbing rope. I don't have the information here, but I will post it tonight, with some pictures. I also don't know what the price is yet. The first batch was only made last month.

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We are testing a new type of cave line. So far, it is looking very good. I have used it on my primary reel so far, but it should work well for jumps also.

It was developed by the US Deep Cave Team, for exploration in Mexico (J2). It is about the size of #24 nylon, but made differently. It has a core of parallel strands, with a sheath woven over it. It is made much like climbing rope. I don't have the information here, but I will post it tonight, with some pictures. I also don't know what the price is yet. The first batch was only made last month.

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Forrest,

What were the requirements leading up to the development...?

I'm assuming; something w/ gold line durability in a smaller form factor - so that it could be loaded onto a smaller primary for exploration.....?

I'd figure way overkill for jumps.....

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Forrest,

What were the requirements leading up to the development...?

I'm assuming; something w/ gold line durability in a smaller form factor - so that it could be loaded onto a smaller primary for exploration.....?

I'd figure way overkill for jumps.....

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You are pretty darn close. It is nice for jumps, since the line is stiffer than what we use now, it doesn't get tangeled as easily. I only tried one jump, but I will try more, next trip to FL.

The designer told me a story about a collapse behind him, and how he was afraid the line might have been broken. Yea, the new stuff is tough. Using it for jump reels, it should last a long time.

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...but I will try more, next trip to FL.

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which is....? soon I hope!

Scroll to (almost) the bottom of this page. There are 3000ft spools here of hi-vis orange and yellow.

http://www.divegearexpress.com/tools/reels.shtml

where can I find black line?

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You are pretty darn close. It is nice for jumps, since the line is stiffer than what we use now, it doesn't get tangeled as easily. I only tried one jump, but I will try more, next trip to FL.

The designer told me a story about a collapse behind him, and how he was afraid the line might have been broken. Yea, the new stuff is tough. Using it for jump reels, it should last a long time.

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I wonder how it would compare to the Dive Gear Express exclusive Hi-Viz Line. I have used it before and this was some strong stuff. It's still braided but from Dacron.

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where can I find black line?

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No joke, PMI makes it for SWAT teams to use in stealth operations.

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I wonder how it would compare to the Dive Gear Express exclusive Hi-Viz Line. I have used it before and this was some strong stuff. It's still braided but from Dacron.

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I haven't seen DGE's line, but the new stuff is Dacron too.

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which is....? soon I hope!

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Probably not until Christmas. Too much going on up here.

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No joke, PMI makes it for SWAT teams to use in stealth operations.

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what's PMI?

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No joke, PMI makes it for SWAT teams to use in stealth operations.

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I guess its for the SWAT Cave team... They use it for "conceal jumps". Similar to a blind jump but black instead of transparent. They don't teach that in non-SWAT full cave...

You think the DIR boy would be all over that black line...

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what's PMI?

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http://www.pmirope.com

they make rope...lots and lots of rope.

you going to Mx w/ us?

--jm

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thank you! is this the one you use: http://www.nylonnet.com/merchandise/...d=1567&cat=473?

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Yes, it is exactly the same stuff all the dive shops sell as "caveline"

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http://www.pmirope.com

they make rope...lots and lots of rope.

you going to Mx w/ us?

--jm

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I need to know what it costs n whatnot
I'm interested...

there's..........so much rope

does anyone know what the actual pound strength of #24 nylon braided twine?
and if Dacron is actually better for use in caves.
I always wondered about that.

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I use #24 braided nylon twine line from, http://www.nylonnet.com
it is the same stuff you get from DR etc..
I use white but I think they sell it in different colors .

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Hey. why's a pantyhose porn website being referenced on a cave forum? hahaha

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does anyone know what the actual pound strength of #24 nylon braided twine?
and if Dacron is actually better for use in caves.
I always wondered about that.

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Dacron floats. Most nylon line has 800# strength. It should say when you order it.

24 is about 260lbs
36 is about 340lbs

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I need to know what it costs n whatnot
I'm interested...

there's..........so much rope

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PMI is also the maker of the goldline in most of the US caves, atleast thats the case of the goldline thats been provided to the WCDC by the CDS and NACD.

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where can I find black line?

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... in the Sistine tunnel at Peacock ... :smt086

... Bob (Grateful Dive)

I just spool up extra line when I go to Florida. The caves down there are lousy with it. It's even self-regenerating apparently.

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I just spool up extra line when I go to Florida. The caves down there are lousy with it. It's even self-regenerating apparently.

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LMAO

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I just spool up extra line when I go to Florida. The caves down there are lousy with it. It's even self-regenerating apparently.

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I hear the disease is spreading to the TN caves as well! :smt081

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No joke, PMI makes it for SWAT teams to use in stealth operations.

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PMI donated black pull line for the sump in Huautla. We refused.

Then they came up with some kinda dull orangish-red. Much better!

I finally found the spool my demo line came on. The hole is from putting an axle in to put the line on my primary reel. Picture below.

It was custom made by Cortland line co. http://www.cortlandline.com

I still don't know the price. The spool I have says "Dacron Cave Diving Line, 50 yards, Break strength 325#, dia. avg .095, elong. avg 40.6% (at break)
I am going to order a bunch as soon as I find a price. Notice it is about the size of #24 nylon, but has the strength of #36. FWIW, goldline is about 800 #.

This dacron line does *not* float, it is neutral in the water, and a good bit stiffer than nylon. I shot a picture with a loop standing above my primary reel, so you can see how stiff it is. It handles very well in the water, and does NOT tangle as easily as nylon line.

The designer told me that some color was necessary, for strength, IIRC. It doesn't have to be yellow, but that is what they are using in MX.

I know Sheck recommended nylon line, but this line didn't exist at that time.

looks really good, I would like to order a bunch too.
Do you think it is more resistant to abrasion than nylon? some caves here have razor sharp rock and this stuff seems like it would be better.

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looks really good, I would like to order a bunch too.
Do you think it is more resistant to abrasion than nylon? some caves here have razor sharp rock and this stuff seems like it would be better.

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That is the main reason it was developed.

Here's a couple of links.

http://www.rainbownetrigging.com/product.php?PNUM=9081

http://cancord.thomasnet.com/viewite...ter?&forward=1

Theropeguy.com
I use 150 or 200 pound test decron line. The same stuff as givegearexpress.

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Theropeguy.com

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Why did I suddenly picture "Sean Connery" on SNL Jeopardy! pronouncing "Therapists" as "The Rapists?"

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Dacron floats. Most nylon line has 800# strength. It should say when you order it.

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all I've read so far says that Dacron does not float.
Also, I've seen nylon from 10# to several hundred.
Can anyone clarify this?

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It was custom made by Cortland line co. http://www.cortlandline.com

This dacron line does *not* float, it is neutral in the water, and a good bit stiffer than nylon.

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I contacted Cortland. they sell a 1lb spool for about $8 (about 750 feet) - cheap! Shipping from Canada was $19 (ouch).

Thanks FW!

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I contacted Cortland. they sell a 1lb spool for about $8 (about 750 feet) - cheap! Shipping from Canada was $19 (ouch).

Thanks FW!

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I thought Cortland was in NY??

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I thought Cortland was in NY??

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sorry, FW, you're right again. It wasn't Cortland who is located in Cortland, NY. Rather, it was Rainbownetrigging.Com. Ooops.

So if u order multiple spools will shipping be the same or increase? If its a flat rate up to a certain weight then it might be worth it.

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So if u order multiple spools will shipping be the same or increase? If its a flat rate up to a certain weight then it might be worth it.

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Yeah thought of that. Up to 3 I think was the #....I don't need 2200 feet of line.
Group doesn't make sense for this. Oh well I keep looking....

i mean if you are not leaving line why not just get braided nylon? its fine for jumps and primary reels.

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i mean if you are not leaving line why not just get braided nylon? its fine for jumps and primary reels.

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I will. if there was something new out there that works and is reasonably easy to get and try, I would. Gear envy applies to all things, not just shiny new double-enders.

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I will. if there was something new out there that works and is reasonably easy to get and try, I would. Gear envy applies to all things, not just shiny new double-enders.

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There is "something new", and I am working hard to make it "easy to get" :-)

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There is "something new", and I am working hard to make it "easy to get" :-)

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FW to the rescue!!! :)

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FW to the rescue!!! :)

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Go back to post #33. I have emailed the company to get a price. I plan to buy a bunch, and try to get some N FL shops to stock some.

ok so 5 lbs of the stuff from rainbownetrigging.com to ship is $22 to me. I can grab 5 lbs or 10 lbs and bring it to FL if anyone is interested. Makes it about $12 / each for 750' of Dacron twine.

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ok so 5 lbs of the stuff from rainbownetrigging.com to ship is $22 to me. I can grab 5 lbs or 10 lbs and bring it to FL if anyone is interested. Makes it about $12 / each for 750' of Dacron twine.

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That is going to make nylon line way too expensive. If you can't wait for the Dacron line, try http://www.nylonnet.com/

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That is going to make nylon line way too expensive. If you can't wait for the Dacron line, try http://www.nylonnet.com/

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this is for Dacron line.
http://www.rainbownetrigging.com/cat...?SUBCAT=Dacron
18# line is 1050', 21# line is 750'.

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this is for Dacron line.
http://www.rainbownetrigging.com/cat...?SUBCAT=Dacron
18# line is 1050', 21# line is 750'.

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OOH careful, "ordinary" Dacron line is probably not as good as nylon line. The line that I posted is specially made to the specifications of some engineers that happen to be on the US Deep Cave Team. It has a core of parallel monofiliment fibers, and a kernmantled sheath, like climbing rope. The reason it is so stiff it the sheath is very tight, to keep grit out. Grit will cause the line to fail if it is moved much, like on a jump reel :(

This is one of those classic overthought threads!!

Get a 1 LB reel of cheap 24. It'll last forever. And when it gets dodgy, replace it.

If you're using it for jumps and entries, just replace it occasionally.

If you're running it in new cave, it's unlikely to ever get touched since most new caves get dived infrequently, and/or by people who stay the hell off the line.

The ONLY time you need to think hard about what line to use is if you're relining something like Ginnie, with a bunch of infrequent divers mauling the line repeatedly. Like past the Henkle, where I swear people use it like a towrope given how bad it usually looks.

So...here's a nice resurrection of an old thread! What's the best way to go for line these days? Braided nylon...dacron...dyneema/spectra...whatever they happen to put on Apex spools?

And if it's not the old standard braided nylon, where are you getting it?

I get mine from here. You get a bit of a discount if you buy it a case at a time.
http://www.memphisnet.net/category/t...-braided-seine

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I get mine from here. You get a bit of a discount if you buy it a case at a time.
http://www.memphisnet.net/category/t...-braided-seine

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This is the last place I bought it from earlier this year. Appeared to be the cheapest at the time.

CCDS

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CCDS

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Pre-knotted?

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what's PMI?

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PMI is good climbing line, but I prefer Bluewater line if you can find it, They used to only make climbing and dry caving rope. & is waterproof !...........................>https://www.bluewaterropes.com/

{BlueWater traces its roots to a family-owned textile business that began manufacturing in Georgia in 1903.}

ie: https://www.bluewaterropes.com/produ...y-cord/page/2/

My 2 cents worth

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No joke, PMI makes it for SWAT teams to use in stealth operations.

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PMI donated some to our 1994 Huautla expedition. We gave it back to them and they gave us a different diameter orange (not hi viz) line.

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No, that's bulk. But I know a guy who will knot a reel for $1 per knot. Some people think that's a bargain, others don't.

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whatever they happen to put on Apex spools?

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I assume you mean Apeks spools? I didn't know they made spools so I looked it up.

Holy Cow! $170 for a spool? I'm in the wrong business.

Hi


I'm also interested in sourcing the same line that Apeks put on their spools.

Does anyone know the exact name of this type of line? Does anyone else manufacture it other than Edelrid?


Thanks

dive addicts.com 700' high vis orange or yellow. #24 $19$