Organization Membership

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11-11-2009 10:30 AM
wingman

Organization Membership

A while back, mmcauliffe put up a poll about membership in cave diving organizations. I need some data on this as well to support what was done in the Jackson Blue economic valuation paper i am working on. Looks like it will be published in the journal Resource and Energy Economics:

http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/jou...on#description

So please respond...thanks!

Bill Huth
11-11-2009 10:48 AM
amphipod06

OK, I need to qualify my answer of "none", been trying to renew with CDS but having trouble and no response on e-mail...

Dive safe,

Celia
11-11-2009 10:50 AM
FW

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Originally Posted by amphipod06

OK, I need to qualify my answer of "none", been trying to renew with CDS but having trouble and no response on e-mail...

Dive safe,

Celia

I just heard that Gwen will be back this weekend. Please try again next week.
11-11-2009 12:28 PM
amphipod06

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Originally Posted by FW

I just heard that Gwen will be back this weekend. Please try again next week.

Will do, thanks and good seeing you at DEMA!

Dive safe,

Celia
11-11-2009 05:59 PM
Jim Wyatt

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Originally Posted by amphipod06

OK, I need to qualify my answer of "none", been trying to renew with CDS but having trouble and no response on e-mail...

Dive safe,

Celia

16 people have joined / renewed using the online store in the past week. Give it a try, its simple. http://tinyurl.com/yz7u4qu
If you cannot figure it out call me. 352-363-0013.
11-11-2009 06:15 PM
amphipod06

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Originally Posted by Jim Wyatt

16 people have joined / renewed using the online store in the past week. Give it a try, its simple. http://tinyurl.com/yz7u4qu
If you cannot figure it out call me. 352-363-0013.

I'll try, sometimes I am dense...

Dive safe,

C
11-11-2009 08:46 PM
skip

The link worked for me and I easily found the membership type/level/duration I wanted, but then the shopping cart and billing info was yellow type on a white background. Maybe it's my eyes (I read in the dark as a child, not that other thing), but dang it was hard to read.

I'm sure jim will fix that soon. He's been doing an amazing job with it so far.

-skip
11-11-2009 09:13 PM
aainslie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Wyatt

16 people have joined / renewed using the online store in the past week. Give it a try, its simple. http://tinyurl.com/yz7u4qu
If you cannot figure it out call me. 352-363-0013.

Jim, I liked it. Worked great.
11-12-2009 06:31 AM
OFG-1

Bill, you have constructed a oxymoron poll. You haphazardly used the word "organization" as if it really applied to any of the entities listed. GUE appears to be more of a regiment than organization, and I have not seen anything really organized coming out of the others for many years.
11-12-2009 07:13 AM
wingman

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Originally Posted by OFG-1

Bill, you have constructed a oxymoron poll. You haphazardly used the word "organization" as if it really applied to any of the entities listed. GUE appears to be more of a regiment than organization, and I have not seen anything really organized coming out of the others for many years.

I was using organiztion in the dynamic sense, as in meteorology. Like a hurricane (also a great song by my favorite artist) the degree of organization can wax and wane (mixing a few metaphors here but then i like a good mixed metaphor). I agree that they all appear to be in a waning mode at the moment. Imagine (also a great song) a merger, there might well be some economies of scale to be gained, especially in publications...they could combine to produce just one quality magazine and keep everything else the same. Everyone would probably be better off and no one would be worse off...in economics we call that pareto optimal...it is irrational not to make a move like that. I can only see better offs here. maybe someone else is good at the worse offs?
11-12-2009 10:14 AM
OFG-1

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Originally Posted by wingman

I was using organiztion in the dynamic sense, as in meteorology. Like a hurricane (also a great song by my favorite artist) the degree of organization can wax and wane (mixing a few metaphors here but then i like a good mixed metaphor). I agree that they all appear to be in a waning mode at the moment. Imagine (also a great song) a merger, there might well be some economies of scale to be gained, especially in publications...they could combine to produce just one quality magazine and keep everything else the same. Everyone would probably be better off and no one would be worse off...in economics we call that pareto optimal...it is irrational not to make a move like that. I can only see better offs here. maybe someone else is good at the worse offs?

Well, metaphorically speaking, go back to your asshat avatar.
11-12-2009 11:11 AM
wingman

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Originally Posted by OFG-1

Well, metaphorically speaking, go back to your asshat avatar.

<lol> liked that one eh? I like my current anti-nuke one.
11-12-2009 12:47 PM
Sludge

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Originally Posted by wingman

Imagine (also a great song)

Can you give me another 9-8 suspension?
11-12-2009 02:38 PM
wingman

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Can you give me another 9-8 suspension?

Here ya go:
11-12-2009 08:57 PM
Sludge

I was being facetious. I'm sure "Imagine" has more 9-8 suspensions than any other song in the pop era.
11-13-2009 12:51 PM
netmage

Quote:

Originally Posted by wingman

I was using organiztion in the dynamic sense, as in meteorology. Like a hurricane (also a great song by my favorite artist) the degree of organization can wax and wane (mixing a few metaphors here but then i like a good mixed metaphor). I agree that they all appear to be in a waning mode at the moment. Imagine (also a great song) a merger, there might well be some economies of scale to be gained, especially in publications...they could combine to produce just one quality magazine and keep everything else the same. Everyone would probably be better off and no one would be worse off...in economics we call that pareto optimal...it is irrational not to make a move like that. I can only see better offs here. maybe someone else is good at the worse offs?

But which agency or shop would get the coveted advertising space to advance their membership... We can barely get these agencies to agree on standards and safety, much less an editorial review board...
11-13-2009 01:14 PM
caverkevin

What about NFSA? Don't they get any love? WCDC should get some love as well.
11-13-2009 05:34 PM
mfascuba

I'm bad about renewals - NACD is pretty simple, fill out one form, drop it in the mail with a check and I'm done. NSS-CDS requires two memberships, twice the effort, twice the chance of losing a form on my end before it gets in the mailbox, and from what I've seen of the politics, I don't need to get involved in it. Yup, the political climate counts - I'm in the "can't we all get along" camp, as opposed to the "let's fight it out at the meetings" camp. I just want to dive.

Mark
11-13-2009 09:26 PM
rchrds

Or, you could just pay off your life membership, and then you don't have to mail anything. ever. Of course, you might have to live with a lifetime of regret, depending on how shamefully your "organization" acts.

Also- probably the GUE numbers are artificially low, I'm sure they have plenty of "stroke"-free forums of their own.

Jason
11-14-2009 04:43 PM
wingman

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Originally Posted by rchrds

Also- probably the GUE numbers are artificially low, I'm sure they have plenty of "stroke"-free forums of their own.
Jason

GUE does have a forum but it does not have a lot of activity. Bill
11-17-2009 02:19 AM
ynot

hey what about the CDAA
http://www.cavedivers.com.au/

:-D
11-17-2009 06:07 AM
wingman

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Originally Posted by ynot

hey what about the CDAA
http://www.cavedivers.com.au/

:-D

At this point we are just looking at us demand. My poll was just directed at the domestic market. Bill
11-17-2009 07:37 AM
FW

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Originally Posted by wingman

At this point we are just looking at us demand. My poll was just directed at the domestic market. Bill

But Bill, this is an international Forum :-D
11-18-2009 07:06 AM
wingman

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Originally Posted by FW

But Bill, this is an international Forum :-D

Not to worry, that's next...we are going to put a diving value on ginnie (well the devil's system actually) and there's a large international component to that :)