I'm about to do a biomechanics project on the modified frog kick and I need some common injuries. I've come up with MCL pain and calf cramps. Anybody else had any issues? Thanks!
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I'm about to do a biomechanics project on the modified frog kick and I need some common injuries. I've come up with MCL pain and calf cramps. Anybody else had any issues? Thanks!
my left knee always hurts...
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i think it's all the bottles on that side maybe?
"MCL pain"?Quote:
Originally Posted by cmufieldhockey8
I wish I knew how to frog kick....
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Originally Posted by cmufieldhockey8
If you are kicking a poor frog hard enough to injure yourself, you are one cruel bastard.
20 years of using it and no injuries. I was a swimmer in high school and college so maybe that's why I don't have issues
If I do a modified frog for a long distance when I am not in shape, my knees will hurt before my calves cramp. The pain seems to be in the MCL (medial collateral ligament). To prevent this, I swim 1500 yards of modified frog kick twice a week. Thank God for university swimming pools!
Medial collateral ligament- ligament on the medial side of the knee (toward the inside). It's common in breast strokers and I once had a little discomfort there when I did a ton of kicking and wasn't used to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FW
I was thinking hamstring strain or groin strain but I wanted to see if anybody has had those injuries before I list it.
I'm familiar with the frog kick and the reverse frog kick, but what's the modified frog kick?
I would think that getting your face slapped would be the most common injury among that group.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmufieldhockey8
Mike
OH , NOW THAT'S JUST WRONG !!!! (eek)Quote:
Originally Posted by MORGAN
Beano
Yes it is wrong - I was only trying to be friendly... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jeandiver
Mike
"ton of kicking" sorry, my bad. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by cmufieldhockey8
Bursitis in the hips. My ortho says it's brought on and aggravated by my frog kicking and why can't I just do a flutter??? Um....no Doc, it doesn't work that way. :roll:
Foot Cramps? Of course it may be that my fins are too tight!
Actually I have zero issues with the frog kick. I find it to be one of the easier and less stressful athletic things this old body of mine does.
Nice one Morgan. Thanks Me.
My bad, forget the modified. Lets just go with the kick you should do most of the time in a cave.
So no pulled hamstrings? pulled groins?
I rarely use the frog kick. Previous back injury prevents proper form. Prefer modified flutter kick
If I frog kick days on end my poor technique and back problems will show in pain on hips/pelvis, usually pinpointed on stomach where the psoas muscle attaches. I can usually tell when I am heading for this burning pain because the kick breaks down, and I will generally “hump the frog” like my buddy calls it.
I frog kick about 99% of the time in all my diving. The remaining 1% is a shuffle kick in very low passage.
I find frog kicking very comfortable and have never had any pain or injury from it, even though I'm 51, too fat, and have old ski patrolman's knees. On the other hand, I find flutter kicking awkward, tiring, and it makes my knees and my quads ache.
Mike
I fractured my pelvis this summer from a bike crash. It hurts where my leg attaches to my body (groin area) after frog kicking for a while. I don't know if the pre-existing injury counts.
Thank, it'll be noted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel Girl
I"m not doing a huge research project on it, i just need to name a few common injuries. Plus I was curious.
I have 9 screws and a plate in my right ankle from breaking it in high school... I get very throbbing ache in the ankle while frog kicking in cold water... not any issues in NFL caves since the water is warmer. I also broke my other leg when I was younger... same type of "arthritic" pains, if you can call it that, but only attributed to the frog kick motion in cold water... I usually result to a modified flutter in those situations.
My knee hurts sometimes, its infrequent and inconsistant???
Sore muscles after very long swims or many days of diving.
??Are we talking about injuries caused by frog kicking or injuries that prevent someone from doing a proper frog kick???Quote:
Originally Posted by Me
My frog kick's kind of weird and befuggered. Some people laugh at it or have asked me about it, although I don't [usually] silt. "Correctly" frog kicking and turning the soles of my feet together produces groin pain on the affected side. Consequently I look like a spastic choo-choo train!
The original injury?? Trauma to the right hip and (according to at least one orthopod), aseptic necrosis of that hip, gotten by sking. Swimming laps helped that injury (I was on crutches for > 1 year).
Of course, swimming laps can cause other injuries (shoulder pain with the overhand stroke). Anything repetitive can produce repetitive stress injury, so if we're gonna use that argument, we might as well all stay in bed.
Then there is always time passing and wear and tear on the joints, otherwise known as normal aging.
But what's the alternative?? We need to keep moving or we'll die!
Barbara
Slapped? You must not be doing it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by MORGAN
As far as frog kicking, I've experienced calf and hamstring cramps, exacerbated by cold.
Dang! That sucks! I was only on crutches for 3-1/2 weeks. I just went back to the orthopedist because it was still hurting 4 months later (intermittantly). He said, "That's normal. It will hurt for a year or two when it rains or it gets cold. Only a few people will have pain for the rest of their lives." :roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by cavedivingwoman
Fortunately, he said I can keep on doing the activities and it won't make me worse. It'll just hurt.
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Originally Posted by cmufieldhockey8
MCL is pretty strong,but I do know of couple people who had pain which was in the pes anserinus region,which is probably a bursitis of this region,which could mimic MCL issues. I think one of the genius behind the frog kick is it mimics PNF type diagonals which utilize stronger muscle groups,so each ending point prepares you for the next cycle. Other injuries...tight IT band could cause lateral leg pain...anterior tibialis tendonitis (shin spints)
Kelly, aren't those the mountains between Spain and Portugal?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelly Jessop
Same ones Hannibal crossed with elephants :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by OFG-1
The frog kick position and maintaining good trim, to some degree, cause a strange cramp in my left leg behind the knee. The intensity varies but seems to start when I get in the water and stops when I get out. I have a touch of spinal stenosis resulting from a previous herniated L5-S1 which I suspect may be the cause. Sure is annoying though.
--jm
Man, you people's geography is atrocious. The pes anserinus are between Spain and France.
To clarify, my ortho has stated that the frog kicking has brought on and aggravated bursitis in the hips....both of them.
Do I have pain while frog kicking? No. I have pain afterwards that usually manifests itself in normal activities. If I sit too long, I walk like I am 90 years old when I first stand up and start moving; I can't sleep on either side; walking and standing for extended periods of time also can be quite painful in the hips, etc.
The "cure" in my mind is worse than the ailment. I haven't gotten to the point yet that I want to take that next step beyond PT and ibuprofen.
To clarify, I asked for injuries caused by the frog kick. I don't mind hearing about previous injuries irritated by the frog kick.
Kelly (ahh you're speaking my language) I hadn't considered the D1 D2 thing but thats a great point. Those injuries you listed- are those injuries you know of people having or injuries you might suspect in a frog kicker?
BTW thanks everybody, I've got enough injuries now!
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Originally Posted by jeandiver
sing while ure at it too ! :)
Whats wrong with a groin pull . . . with the breast stroke?
It isn't a "pure" PNF D1 and D2 since it is lacking the hip flexion component,but there are some movement similiarities.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmufieldhockey8
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Those injuries you listed- are those injuries you know of people having or injuries you might suspect in a frog kicker?
I had a friend I was diving that had lateral hip pain at the refractory point of the frog kick. There was no trochanteric bursitis,but he had very tight IT band. Also,someone else complained of anterior tibilias pain during the beginning of the kick cycle where there is dorsiflexion,but they also were an runner so I suspect they were anatagonizing a pre-existing condition.
groin problems for me. Started with Basketball/squats, now aggrevated by frog kick. Calf cramps if I've been out of the water for awhile.
Strange, because all I do is the modified frog kick. A normal flutter kick cramps my calf muscles very quickly. Never any problem I am aware off, but then us old farts always have pains so it's hard to differentiate them.
Dale
Very cool, people. Appreciate all the responses. Looks like the frog kick/modified frog kick/whatever you wanna call it most often tends to aggravate previous injuries.
I don't normally have a problem when swimming with the frog kick, but I have had quite severe cramps in the calf muscles and feet when hovering during deco. I think this is partly because of diving in very cold water - my legs keep warm while swimming but then tend to get cold at rest. I could of course wear (even) more underclothes, but one issue with the frog kick is that it is more delicate and requires more flexibility than flutter kicks. With two many clothes on my legs feel clumsy.
Mark