Details from Ginnie recovery 1/22/21 x

So I am simply copying and pasting the facts as they were told to me by someone involved who asked that I share some details. The point of the details is not to sensationalize the accident, but in hopes that people will understand how much work was involved in the recovery and the emotional stress and physical discomfort the recovery team endured. Also, hopefully it will quell people's questions enough that there will be more understanding (than we typically have) that it will take time for a full report to be put together. Based on conversations, I believe that the teams would prefer that the report be public and I think there is a good chance of that in this case. So let's all try not to speculate (though I know it's impossible not to) and be respectful of the family.
To the mods and anybody else involved in the recovery, if you're not comfortable with the current details being released, then please let me know. I was given this information by someone involved and asked to share it. I obviously don't have the OK from every single person involved, so if the others involved disagree with this being released, please take it down and remember I'm just the messenger. Here is the info:

I won't speculate on some things that we simply don't know, ex. was it medical? (the diver was in his late 50s), and i'll stick to facts.

Diver went in Wednesday, he had been collecting survey data in the new section, which you have to negotiate a stretch of approximately 500' of passage that is small and filled with clay, before passing through a sidemount only restriction.

The first team went in to try and locate him Thursday morning to search back to the rock on rock, the hope was that the diver went running for the door and was on the exit side. No sign of him.

Second team went in with sidemount CCR's and located him approximately at 5800'.

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Here is a gif of the section in question. I cant upload it here since its a gif so heres a link to it

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uytl6lw0ag...%20AM.mov?dl=0


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Is it acceptable to train students without a hud?

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Originally Posted by JahJahwarrior

Is it acceptable to train students without a hud?

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Sidewinder doesn't come with a secondary as stock, so apparently

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Originally Posted by rddvet

Sidewinder doesn't come with a secondary as stock, so apparently

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I did not know that.

How monumentally idiotic!

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Sidewinder doesn't come with a secondary as stock, so apparently

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Sidewinder comes stock with two ports, the user can choose to order 1 or 2 cables (and plug the unused port if only 1). There's a lot of flexibility in how you can order from KISS, with choices of different connectors or hardwired solutions. If you have multiple units you can share a fischer computer between your breathers if you so choose.


I don't believe that there's a requirement for double monitoring for standard CCR classes (at least not with TDI), and there's a lot of people that dive two computers but only one monitoring cells.

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Sidewinder comes stock with two ports, the user can choose to order 1 or 2 cables (and plug the unused port if only 1). There's a lot of flexibility in how you can order from KISS, with choices of different connectors or hardwired solutions. If you have multiple units you can share a fischer computer between your breathers if you so choose.


I don't believe that there's a requirement for double monitoring for standard CCR classes (at least not with TDI), and there's a lot of people that dive two computers but only one monitoring cells.

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I took the sw class, but didn't buy one. The unit I used was brand new from Kiss and only had a single monitor set up as far as I can remember. I thought the stock ones only came with once connection unless you ask for an additional. I could be wrong though. Either way single monitoring is acceptable in classes

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I took the sw class, but didn't buy one. The unit I used was brand new from Kiss and only had a single monitor set up as far as I can remember. I thought the stock ones only came with once connection unless you ask for an additional. I could be wrong though. Either way single monitoring is acceptable in classes

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You can order it without any cables, you have to specify what you want and if you don't specify, you don't get anything.

What's the golden rule of ccr diving?

Always know your po2.

If it's not within eyesight, you don't know it.

They sell motorcycle without helmets, doesn't make it smart to ride without one.

Diving without a hud is a deadly hubris.

Give me a break. If you're not competant enough to look at your wrist on a manual ccr then don't dive a rebreather but leave those off us alone who don't feel the need to have a an expensive gadget hanging off the loop in our face. po2 does not magically change in an instant. You should already know what it's at before looking.

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