Planning a scooter dive to Heinkel restriction for very first time ...

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Originally Posted by Superlyte27

I'm pretty sure this was the team Trace was telling me about that is less than 10 dives post full cave. So, by now, it can't be many more than that. Lets say 20 full cave dives. Is that enough to go to the Henkel, especially considering they are coming on here asking for advice on how to plan the dive?

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So it makes people more responsible if they DON'T ask for help when they want to be extra cautious???? What a self-righteous windbag you are!

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Originally Posted by mdax

I think it's presumptuous to assail his instructor based on a post here, there is no way to know how he articulated his "nature" while in class. Some dudes I've met through diving, climbing and shooting from other countries (primarily Russia) have a totally different acceptable level of danger to fun ratio than I think is sane.
The saddest part is that scootering to the Hinkle isn't anywhere near the coolest part of Ginnie. I can't understand why you'd want to skip mainland, sweet surprise, insulation room and all the other cool dives...for pete's sake scooter in and swim out to these other great places first!

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I think you guys misunderstand me. I wasn't at all assailing Trace. I don't blame him for his student's actions. It's the reason why I said, "I'm glad I wasn't their instructor." Just as I don't blame Trace, I wouldn't want others to blame me if a student decided to go against what I taught them.

Trace, I apologize if you thought this was an attack on you. That was NOT my intent.

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Originally Posted by oreo

Well at least Trace doesn't let his female students slide by just because they are cute. If that was the case I would be finished already and teaching you a thing or two.

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What on earth are you trying to say? Is this even relevant?
I'm into older women, anything you want to teach me, uh....

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Originally Posted by kwinter

So it makes people more responsible if they DON'T ask for help when they want to be extra cautious???? What a self-righteous windbag you are!

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Kwinter, have you been reading the thread? If he wanted to be extra cautious, he'd wait to do a dive to 3200+ feet when he's got less than 20 full cave dives under his belt, you know, just like a few people on this thread AND HIS INSTRUCTOR have cautioned him to do.
But, I'd be happy to discuss it with you in person if you'd like.

But really, these rules we have set really aren't important. DPV Class: Not Important. Cave Training: Not Important. Common Sense: Not Important. Following the advice of a half dozen seasoned divers: Not Important.

I mean seriously, it was a handful of goobers who created these rules over the last 30+ years. And rules are made to be broken. Training isn't for everyone.

Self righteous huh? Nope, just RIGHT. There's a difference. God Forbid I stand for the rules that greater people before me wrote, especially for someone at such a beginner level in cave diving.

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Originally Posted by Superlyte27

What on earth are you trying to say? Is this even relevant?
I'm into older women, anything you want to teach me, uh....

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Ouch, older women? I'll teach you one thing, never mention age to a woman unless you are selling insurance. ;-)

I learned that years ago. I just chose not to exercise that knowledge today.

You two should get a room before the motels fill up for the funeral.

LOL, that's funny Trace.

I thought you had to have 100 dives at full cave before you were allowed to take the scooter class, or was that just my instructors rule?

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Originally Posted by a64pilot

I thought you had to have 100 dives at full cave before you were allowed to take the scooter class, or was that just my instructors rule?

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I was under the impression that it was 50 post full. Please someone enlighten us.