Ginnie exploration

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I will give the reason that I started this s**t storm at the appropriate time. That will be after Andrew has his meeting with the folks at Ginnie. He has to appease them, not me. As for the petition being pushed by the guy or guys that dug in another tunnel; I can positively assure you that is not the case at all.

Just for the record I had the petition to get the opinions of some folks last weekend. To those of you that read it and commented on it was what its intent was just that to get people thinking about all of what is going on and to let their opinions known.

And NO I am not going to post the petition, not yet, maybe never.

My best regards to all of you.

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What does Andrew have to grovel to Ginnie for? He has done nothing wrong. He has broken no posted rules for the use of their property. He has even gone the extra mile and does alot of his dives late at night. You hear people saying that when people are in the back of the cave pushing the line that the viz is zero and that makes ginnie un happy. Well the fact is that the viz is not 0, a little dusty maybe. If you cant handle that then get out of the cave. Exploration has been going on the entire time that ginnie has been a park. I am not going to name names, but i know the old boy club and it sickens me. I am a local, born and raised went away for uncle sam and came back. The fact that the old boys want to push out the non local divers is the most retarded thing ever. They are the ones keeping the shops open so that you can do your dives. In the last few days the only people that i have seen at the shop are Sweeds and Austrians, they are paying my wage by buying extreme amounts of gear and gas. I love the out of town divers, many are my friends and I look forward to seeing them every trip.

You "good ol' boys" conspiracy theorists are freaking idiots.

What does Capt Tom and the owners of Ginnie have to do with a general conspiracy by some "good ol' boys" to prevent anyone from diving the caves?

NOTHING

Capt Tom is one guy and the owners of Ginnie aren't even cave divers.


The "good ol' boys" (if there is such a group) only involvement in this was to warn you idiots about the dangers to loosing SITE ACCESS because of landowners liability concerns, danger to divers from giving directions to those who aren't up to finding passage on their own, damage to passageways from over traffic and hero divers following movies and directions they find posted on the internet.

Hmm... I wonder what the issues are the Ginnie owners will raise if they are to be "appeased"??? I wonder why they would consider closing access at all?

Damn those "good ol' boys" for raising a warning flag from time to time. It's a conspiracy! They are out to get us "new divers" "out of state divers" etc


OK I'm done. Now you all want to continue your ignorant rant about how the "good ol' boys" are out to get you???

Gee thanks for that Gary.

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Originally Posted by aainslie

Gee thanks for that Gary.

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The authors of this supposed article are not residents of the North Florida area nor do they even live on the Right Coast.

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I have been planning a trip to South Carolina to dive for some shark teeth on the river. I have always thought if I went, I would have Capt. Tom take me out. Now I wonder, since I live in Ohio would I be thought of as "living on the wrong coast?" Since I am not a resident of Florida or South Carolina should I stay home? Take my money and spend it elsewhere?

I have a couple thoughts on this:

How does someone from South Carolina get called NFGOB??

None of the NFGOB explorers I know are against this; they are all very supportive. I've been here cave diving for nearly 20 years.

So far the only persons I have heard against this are instructors and one individual who believes the cave is his.

I find the drive to stifle the documentation of exploration completely abhorrent. Exploration is why many of us are cave divers; it has helped to further cave science more than any other means. And the Ginnie exploration has made some incredible discoveries. Exploration is the stated purpose of the NSS-CDS; see Article II of the NSS-CDS Constitution below. Please note that exploration comes before training.

ARTICLE II: The purpose of the organization shall be the same as that of the National Speleological Society (hereafter referred to as NSS), with the additional purpose of organizing NSS members who are interested in cave diving so that they may better promote the objectives of the NSS. These objectives include 1) promotion of the conservation, exploration, and study of underwater caves; and 2) education for increased awareness, safety, and skill in cave diving.

Also note that the purpose of the agency journals is not only to promote the agencies but to document the exploration being conducted.

If conservation of the cave was the motivation behind this; you guys are way too late. Skid row was trashed long ago; please try and be more timely in your efforts.

I(and everyone I know) fully support these exploration efforts by Andrew, Agnes, and James and believe they should be allowed to enjoy their day in the spotlight because they have not only done some amazing things but made significant findings concerning the hydrology of the Devil's system.

Jerry

:clapper - Excellent post!

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Originally Posted by Gary

Hmm... I wonder what the issues are the Ginnie owners will raise if they are to be "appeased"??? I wonder why they would consider closing access at all?

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Gary, if you or anyone else believes that Ginnie will close access to divers, who are probably their largest profit center, you are out of your freaking mind.

Jerry,

Nice post - and thanks for the points you make. One thing I am hoping to do on my next trip is to help Bill Huth get some of his instruments placed at the junctions of different water flows back there. He's hoping to better understand the flow structure as a result of that.

I hope to still be able to place those meters for him. We've discussed a couple of very nice locations for them.

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Originally Posted by OFG-1

........................................divers, who are probably their largest profit center, you are out of your freaking mind.

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Actually, YOU need to ride a boat by the ginnie property on Memorial Day, Labor Day, and Thanksgiving. Then you will see where ginnie makes their money.

Don't try to drive in; you won't make it.

Cave divers are a drop in the bucket.

Jerry