Graffitti in JB

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Originally Posted by skip

All Hail WikiLeaks! Open up them secrets. Reveal all. ...

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So, you support the work of Haldeman and Ehrlichman? They were doing their best to revel secrets.

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Originally Posted by skip

I got a hundred bucks to donate for signage. Who's gonna make them and install them?

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Huh? Why not just etch them into the rocks that are already there? It wouldn't cost any money and it would eliminate a few places for people to vandalize. Yes, I am kidding...

Cheers,
Jeff

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Originally Posted by skip

Just plain wrong. This idea that justice can only prevail if people don't speak of it, is downright unamerican. free speech and justice depend on one another. Limit one and reduce the other. Sure, sometimes the guilty go free and sometimes the innocent don't, but to fear open exchange in the name of justice, or anything really, is not what we are about. And it never works anyway. Let loose the hounds of open discourse on all subjects and honesty and good and the american way will prevail! I'm pretty sure the founding fathers put that in the constitution.

skip

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The free exchange of reasoned thought is most certainly protected, idle blabber is also protected but you can and should be held responsible for any negative impact of irresponsible verbal diarrhea. The attitude that you will talk about something on a public forum, even if it has a negative impact overall, just because it is your right is immature at best. Carry on mate, no windmill is safe!:yawinkle:


RAL

it's not a matter of "a right" to blather. it's a deeply held philosophy of openness and honesty. when a people keep secrets, no one benefits. We create a world where what we see and know is not what is there. How can that be a good thing? I think you and me draw the line in different places and I try to have some fun with our disagreements, inject a note of anarchic radicalism to help balance the overwhelming conservativism of today's tea party amerika (just kidding with k). Unsafe Windmills Unite! Don Skipoti is nigh!

skip

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Originally Posted by FW

So, you support the work of Haldeman and Ehrlichman? They were doing their best to revel secrets.

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No, of course I don't support theivery. Openness would nullify theivery. The problem is a civilization that works only under secrecy. We have created a system of government that promotes lies, greed, secrets, tramples the very meaning of the public trust, a system that simply could not function without deceit. Such a system is full of secrets and thus full of truthseekers no matter how evil or altruistic their motivation for finding the secrets. We create a self-feeding environment of deepening mistrust. Why can't we all just get along? If a sign had been in JB saying "Please don't carve your name, or otherwise alter, this beautiful environment. It's taken millions of years to create what you see here. Thanks for your conservation," those names would not be carved in the rock today. Just letting people know is the first thing. You can't blame them if you didn't tell them.

skip

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You can't blame them if you didn't tell them.

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yes I can..... common sense says dont carve your name in something you dont own..... and if you dont have common sense you shouldnt be cave diving.

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Originally Posted by skip

No, of course I don't support theivery. Openness would nullify theivery. The problem is a civilization that works only under secrecy. We have created a system of government that promotes lies, greed, secrets, tramples the very meaning of the public trust, a system that simply could not function without deceit. Such a system is full of secrets and thus full of truthseekers no matter how evil or altruistic their motivation for finding the secrets. We create a self-feeding environment of deepening mistrust.
skip

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Sounds suspiciously like the gov't we have today.... Just sayin'

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Originally Posted by JerseyJersey

yes I can..... common sense says dont carve your name in something you dont own..... and if you dont have common sense you shouldnt be cave diving.

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You know as I kid I must have seen an attempt every Saturday to drop an acme anvil on the head of a bird from the southwestern desert,and inspite of my parents and educational system failing to tell me this was wrong,I never did it. :-) So +1 to common sense.

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Originally Posted by skip

a note of anarchic radicalism to help balance the overwhelming conservativism of today's tea party amerika

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I am betting in 2-3 more posts in this thread Godwin's law will be validated.

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Originally Posted by Kelly Jessop

I am betting in 2-3 more posts in this thread Godwin's law will be validated.

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WWHD? (What Would Hitler Do?)