Sexism?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by FW

I really think nobody (male or female) falls for that type of advertising. Where it falls short the most is that while it gets young men's attention, it doesn't get the right kind of attention from women.

---

I suspect I left out something. While ads with scantily clad girls may get the attention of young males, the intended audience probably doesn't even notice there is scuba gear on the models :-D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by FW

The sad fact of life is, Agnes died because she was out to prove she could do anything men could do. Well she did, she died trying to prove something, like a lot of guys have done in the past :(

---

I don't think that's correct, Forrest. Agnes wanted above all to be the best; if anything she wanted to be Jill. Male or Female was not a factor. How many male deaths have been due to the same thing - trying to prove they are better than all others regardless of any other characteristic? Many. We are a population of testosterone driven humans, the males among us and the females too. It's not whether one gender is better or worse or even different, it's that we all think we are or can be better; better than others, better than our past selves. I think cave divers are unique in that, not exclusively unique, astronauts and dare-devils are included.

skip

Look at the industry as a whole. How many female cave instructors are out there? I am not picking on anyone in particular. I just have access to numbers from these agencies.

NACD, no female instructors. 0 out of 41 listed

http://www.nacdmembers.com/main/training/instructors/

NSS-CDS, 5 out of 51 listed

http://www.nsscds.org/instructorlist

GUE, Maybe 5 plus or minus, out of 138...its hard to tell by the name, so dont hold me to that.

http://www.globalunderwaterexplorers...ors/index.html

I think a good question to ask is, what barriers women face in becoming instructors? What percentage of cave divers are women?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by JillHeinerth

A major diving publication has asked me to write an article on sexism in diving. I'm curious how that makes people feel? Do we still have an issue with sexism in our industry? Are you sick of hearing women complain about unequal treatment? Are there some reasonable suggestions to help women feel validated and men feel informed?
If there are any men or women that want to share any private anecdotes, please PM me.
Thanks!
Jill

---

........

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sly-vester

What percentage of cave divers are women?

---

At our house, 50%. :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sly-vester

What percentage of cave divers are women?

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MORGAN

At our house, 50%.

---

And at our house, 0%. So I think we can safely interpolate that out to 25%. :yawinkle:

Yup! :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by OFG-1

After that entire post, this is what it really boils down to.

---

EXACTLY!!! Oh John <swoon> you do so GET me! <swoon> <------in my best Scarlett voice

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sly-vester

I think a good question to ask is, what barriers women face in becoming instructors?

---

I don't think the barriers I faced were any different than the barriers faced by my male counterparts. I always felt like I was treated fairly even though the process itself was one of the hardest I've ever been through. I'm a firm believer that it damn well should be!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sly-vester

What percentage of cave divers are women?

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by MORGAN

At our house, 50%. :)

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Slüdge

And at our house, 0%. So I think we can safely interpolate that out to 25%. :yawinkle:

---

100% at our house. ;)

I am surprised to see how few female instructors there really are. My cavern instructor and my apprentice instructor were women. The female instructors may be more active.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by curtschu

Pictures of Fat old guys? No thanks!

---

MB looks slim in that photo. No fat guys there. ;-)