Cheryl/Emerald Sinks- Site Access

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Originally Posted by Genesis

Ok, before I send off this FOIA, anyone have comments?

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The politics of access have been so far best handled by coordinated agency or "known name" contacts without "help" from the masses. I would hope that you are coordinating this with the agency people who are on point of contact, so it does not interfere with their efforts. It seems to me you are just trying to cause problems for others. Under the current proposal, you would not be permitted to dive in these places. You have nothing to gain or lose; leave this to those that do and have the experience in dealing with this.

al wells

How is acting as a concerned citizen to discover if public land is being properly managed in the public trust, within the confines of the law, "interference"?

I pay taxes in this state, including those that support the Wakulla Park.

I have a right as a citizen, under the Florida Constitution, to these records, and to display what I get back from the FOIA request on a public web page.

I fail to see where an objection could possibly come from, unless of course someone has been doing things they shouldn't be!

As for not having anything to lose, there you are incorrect. We all lose as citizens when land in the public trust is abused for the personal peccadillos of special interest groups and others are excluded. By definition when such decisions are made without open, public debate, we have all been robbed. This is the very reason for the Florida Public Records Law (the "Florida Sunshine" Law) and the ensconcement of this right in the Florida Constitution.

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Originally Posted by Al

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Originally Posted by Genesis

Ok, before I send off this FOIA, anyone have comments?

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The politics of access have been so far best handled by coordinated agency or "known name" contacts without "help" from the masses. I would hope that you are coordinating this with the agency people who are on point of contact, so it does not interfere with their efforts. It seems to me you are just trying to cause problems for others. Under the current proposal, you would not be permitted to dive in these places. You have nothing to gain or lose; leave this to those that do and have the experience in dealing with this.

al wells

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With all due respect Al..

It seems to me that this is the way things have been done and handled over the years, time and time again by the cave diving community with little to show in the area (in fact things have just gotten worse in that area..). I would agree with Genesis on his point that each and every citizen has the right to know what is going on within THEIR state government. Government should be the most transparent area of our life (with the possible exception of national security matters, which I hardly think Wakulla State Park falls under..).

Additionally, just because you are not qualified RIGHT NOW to dive the systems does not mean you don't have a stake in this matter. Don't you want it available if and when you are qualified to dive it in the future. Don't you care if your friends and buddies who might be qualified to dive it have the opportunity? And most of all, don't you care because what is going on WRT this public land is JUST PLAIN WRONG !?!

As he said, he' s doing the FOIA as an individual, we may each not agree with it (that's cool..), but the petition IS one thing we should all agree on...

What's the definition of insanity?

Doing things the same way over and over and hoping for different results - think about it...

JB

...topic thread drift...

http://tinyurl.com/5a7ha

Norm

I think you worded the request beautifully Karl. Everything there seems to be in order with the FOIA. There is a need to mention WKPP as they have control there now. Be sure to drop me a line once you have the petition ready for signing.

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Originally Posted by DeWayne

I think you worded the request beautifully Karl. Everything there seems to be in order with the FOIA. There is a need to mention WKPP as they have control there now. Be sure to drop me a line once you have the petition ready for signing.

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Will.

Checking the back end stuff now, and making sure the format works properly when the faxes go out (faxing yourself is so much fun!)

Should have it operational this afternoon or tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Genesis

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Originally Posted by DeWayne

I think you worded the request beautifully Karl. Everything there seems to be in order with the FOIA. There is a need to mention WKPP as they have control there now. Be sure to drop me a line once you have the petition ready for signing.

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Will.

Checking the back end stuff now, and making sure the format works properly when the faxes go out (faxing yourself is so much fun!)

Should have it operational this afternoon or tomorrow.

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Just linked to it through your site and it worked great. Got the confirmation email and sent the reply on that so I guess that makes me official now. I can only hope that the non-divers on my email list will think about me favorably and sign it as well.

For those living and/or diving around cave country who haven't had a chance to sign the petition to Governor Jeb Bush about Emerald/Cheryl access, Larry and Debra Green just dropped it off and it'll be at Cave Excursions East for a while....

We have over 100 signatures so far, so please come on out and let's see what we can do about getting these beautiful systems reopened to qualified individuals!!

If you live up in the Tallahassee area or down south of here there are also 2 more petitions being circled. When I find out where these are at, I'll be sure to post the locations.....

What a great start to the New Year, and thanks to all those involved who are donating their valuable time to this effort.... :D

Safe diving,

Rich

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Originally Posted by Genesis

Ok, before I send off this FOIA, anyone have comments?

I am also putting together the petition and should have that online this evening or tomorrow. I will set up a new thread for that one.

Feel free to copy this URL; while the content may change the URL will not.

http://www.denninger.net/WakullaFOIARequest.htm

Comments please.....

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Good job!

Your FOIA doc was well-written and should crawl right up the ass of the people that are standing in the way.

Mark my words, we'll be diving Wakulla County this time next year.

The access petition (which is NOT connected to the FOIA) is available on the other thread on this matter, or, for those who want a direct link here...

http://www.politics-fax.org/petition...a-1-online.htm