I thought I heard the state was buying it, or did that fall through?Quote:
Originally Posted by mmcauliffe
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I thought I heard the state was buying it, or did that fall through?Quote:
Originally Posted by mmcauliffe
Nevermind, I found the reference :oops:
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Originally Posted by mmcauliffe
Rose Creek I'm not sure which government agency currently owns it. I think it's the state.
Also Appoka Blue.
Both are closed - permit only.
Just an FYI from the SRWMD web site of Spring owners within their jurisdiction which are:
State Parks - Fanning, Ichetucknee, Lafayette Blue, Manatee, Peacock, Troy
Suwannee River WMD - Falmouth, Suwannee, Twin Rivers State Forest, Anderson
Alachua County - Poe
Dixie County - Guaranto
Gilchrist County- Hart
Lafayette County - Ruth
Suwannee County - Charles, Little River, Royal
Town of Branford - Branford
Private (Open to public w/entrance fee) Convict, Gilchrist Blue, Ginnie
Private (not open to public) - Hornsby Springs, Telford
Local control of parks is a good thing, even if they are state-owned. Each area is unique and the people who live there know best how they want things to be....
You and me may disagree about how things should be and whether or not consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds (to quote emerson), but I don't want any state or federal government telling me how to do things here in Rutherford county. You want to come dive our caves, come on, and we'll show you some fine diving, but if you think "the state" needs to impose the same rules across the board, then I must disagree.
Variety is the spice of life. Let the locals decide who, where, when, they'll put up with outsiders. And if they don't want cave divers, that's fine. If they want only those with specific training, ok. I am a visitor, it's their house. I can not tell them what to do in their own home. I am just glad they invited me!
Consistency across state parks is just not reasonable.
-skip
Hence the problem. You are attempting to apply logic to a government activity. You are implying that they are capeable of a cohesive application of policy through multi layers of government BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by curtschu
You might as well face it. Never happen.
Just remember what Will Rogers said, "Be thankful we're not gettin all the government we're payin for".
(BTW, I am a state employee.)
I'm not a FL resident anymore, but it seems to me that someone from Dade County is just as much an owner of State Park cave sites as a Suwannee or other County local. They are "State Parks" afterall. By your logic the state and/or county of XYZ should have jurisdiction and authority to make management decisions over National Parks and Forests in their jurisdictions. :evil:Quote:
Originally Posted by skip
Public land is owned by all in the owner's jurisdiction, not just those who live close by. Dade, Monroe, etc. citizens pay taxes and support the State Park system too - whether they are cave divers or not.
The views of citizens across the State have merit and some semblance of consistency in rules and regulations for State Parks under similar circumstances is expected to avoid being "arbitrary and capricious". That is, having a rational connection between the facts and the management deisions/rules. The current "local control" approach to rulemaking is not only quintessentially inconsistent and arbitrary, it would practically define unreasonable when viewed at the state level in court.
While there are local property taxes as you might recall there is no income tax in florida...the majority of the revenue comes from sales taxes that are paid by anyone buying something in the state. So I am not really sure what this "i am a florida taxpayer therefore..." mindset is all about. The state park planning process considers that each park has a unique set of resources that require customized management plans, a one size fits all management model will not be efficient. Say what you will about the public sector but when it comes to managing public goods or common property resources, the private sector does not work very well either. Bill HuthQuote:
Originally Posted by rjack
I'm all for customized management plans. Assuming that's what's actually happening. Disclaimer: I have not lived in FL for many years (wasn't even certified to OW dive back then).
Unfortunately it sounds like one person's "arbitary rule" is another's "customized, negotiated managment tool". Thus better communication between the rule makers and the affected divers is in order.
Here in Texas some of us have to pay $20 to get into a real mud hole, I mean big time, it REALLY sucks and its $20 a head, when I go to florida I'm like holy crap I can dive THIS for HOW MUCH? YEA!!Quote:
Originally Posted by FW
Peacock has benches and stuff and gets maintained, has the ranger going about, worth every penny.