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As soon as I get back from the social I'll start drafting the FOIAs, and will also consider putting up a faxed petiton - I have the software already, as I use it for other political lobbying purposes.
Thank you Johnny for coordinating this and bringing it to the forefront! Now its our turn, collectively as divers and citizens, to take the ball and make our voices heard.
I couldn't agree more......as others mentioned, we have nothing to lose and plenty to gain :-DQuote:
Originally Posted by johnnyrichards
Safe diving and happy holidays,
Rich
This sounds like a good place to start, and could provide useful information for later. Thank you for taking it on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Genesis
Viva Johnny!
Keep up the good work!
Hope that also we foreigners can benefit one day from your good initiatives!
Look forward diving Wakulla one day with you!
Regards,
Joaquin
Madrid, Spain, Europe
Ok, before I send off this FOIA, anyone have comments?
I am also putting together the petition and should have that online this evening or tomorrow. I will set up a new thread for that one.
Feel free to copy this URL; while the content may change the URL will not.
http://www.denninger.net/WakullaFOIARequest.htm
Comments please.....
Looks great Karl, thanks for taking the time to do this :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Genesis
Safe diving,
Rich
You ARE sending it (the hard copy) certified mail (return receipt) RIGHT??? (so IT won't "get lost" or go unanswered as other things seem to have thus far..) Thanks for your efforts..
JB
IMHO I don't think any reference to the WKPP belongs here. The great strength of the original petition was the broad support it received from the training agencies. If this action is perceived to contain ill-will towards the WKPP, I don't think GUE will be too interested in participating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Genesis
I think the main point is that a reasonable proposal was made to the Park, but no feedback is available. I don't think that questioning the relationship between the park and the group currently holding a permit is useful. Sorry if I have misinterpreted your meaning.
You bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by resolute
And I'm also putting the petition up for FAX on my "politics fax" server. Its on there now, at http://www.politics-fax.org/petition...a-1-online.htm but as of right now the sign button doesn't work (the database is turned off right now behind it) until I get the wording as the various authors want.
Frankly, I think we need to invoke the "discrimination" word in the petitions...
That ssytem, by the way, FAXES all the people I configure in. Sandra, Jeb, and probably the DEP's office manager will get these. There are hard records kept and the database is HERE, so they can't go "missing' on the other end.
The politics-fax system is specifically designed for political lobbying efforts - its part of what I do with my life these days, albiet normally in other areas of concern.... :)
The FOIA request is completely disjoint from the petition effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcmacken
The FOIA is coming from me, personally, as an individual.
The petitions are coming from divers, and the text the petition system is going to use is exactly that which Johnny Richards drafted (subject to any revisions that he and I work on; I've put in a request for his commentary on the petition.)
There are two issues here, but both are connected:
1. How to get the Wakulla Park Management to be responsive to the taxpayers - that'd be all the people who cavedive, since we spend tax money one way or another doing so, and this is public land managed under the public's trust by the state. The petition effort that Johnny initiated is working towards this effort. BTW, don't be too surprised if not "all" of the agencies that signed on to this are as solidly behind it today as they were when they signed......
2. Discovering if there have been any "back room deals" made in violation of the Florida State Sunshine law in the past that have impacted taxpayer access to these sites, if any of that constitutes discriminatory conduct which is improper under the charter of the Park Service, and if so, putting a stop to it for the future.
The petition effort is aimed at (1).
My FOIA request is aimed at (2).
They are in no way connected except that I support both.
The latter, in fact, is something I've been looking for a "good time" to do for quite a while. This just happens to be a "good time."
Someone signing the petition is in no way lending support to my personal FOIA aimed at the State Government organs that are involved in this situation.
If someone else wants to "borrow" language from my FOIA and file their own, that is their right, of course..... but deciding to sign the petition in no way endorses my private FOIA expedition.
I see nothing to lose by it, however, unless you're one of the "100" who currently can dive Cheryl and Emerald. The access situation can't get more closed for the rest of the cavediving community than it is now.
And before someone screams 'personal interest!' I am not currently qualified under the proposed access rules to dive those sites.