It is mostly the Peacock CSO that pays for those improvements. If you want benches at the other parks, join their CSOs, and raise the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daedalus
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It is mostly the Peacock CSO that pays for those improvements. If you want benches at the other parks, join their CSOs, and raise the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daedalus
Why is it that there are people in this world who have this mentality that if they can't do something or they don't like how it's being done then by God they'll just ruin it for the lot of us?
This kind of mind set is a cancer on any organization and it just sucks the life out of anything positive other people work so hard to accomplish.
I for one detest some of these rules that the State Parks levy upon us but I also understand that due to the idiot gene that seems to be so prevalent in the world today these rules are a necessary pain in the patooka.
At the rate I'm going I may NEVER get to dive Emerald Sink, Bonnett, or Hart Springs, etc. But that's my fault for not moving to North Florida and diving more. There are plenty of other places to cave dive though and it gives me a goal to strive for.
It is going to royally suck though when the days of driving up to Little River and being able to do a no hassle, no "someone looking over your shoulder :smt018 " cave dive. Yep. That's gonna really suck. :smt022
P.S. Congratulations to all of you who worked so hard to get Emerald opened so that those who are qualified can dive there.
You all really deserve a lot of credit and my hope is that it stays open and a few malcontents with nothing but time on their hands don't ruin it just to feed their own sense of entitlement.
Why trimix certification?
I was pretty sure that the Peacock CSO was the one who paid for these things but I was not 100% sure. My point is why shouldn't the extra 7$ per diver fee that the state charges pay for these improvements? It is great that the CSOs pay for and organize these things, and we all appreciate it but shouldn't the state do something to justify the discriminatory access fee they charge divers? They do not charge people who come to canoe, swim, or hike different fees based on different activities, so what justifies charging divers extra?Quote:
Originally Posted by FW
They out number divers in most parks. The most important thing to remember is Florida has the only parks that allow cavediving. That privilege is due to a lot of cavedivers working hard in the background with state officials. It would be much simpler for the state to just ban cavediving completely. The little money collected from divers wouldn't make any difference in the state parks operating expenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daedalus
I defer to your experience, and recognize the realities of working with state agencies. I appreciate all the people who fight the good fight with the bureaucrats to maintain and create new access. However, I am opposed to the idea of having any recreation activity on public land that does not rob future generations of its use being restrained. As pursuers of a legitimate recreational activity, and contributors to the park service, we should not have to grovel for table scraps from the state - it shouldn't be a privilege in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by FW
I guess the big issue that sticks in everyone’s craw is this....
Why do we as citizens of this great state have to go with hat in hand and beg and plead to use a resource that belongs to us in the first place?
If you go out west there are Hundreds of places that allow you to do stuff MUCH more deadly with no begging involved.
You want to climb Mt Rainer Have at it. Denali hope you don't die. Mt Hood.... hey leave us a note... El capitan..... The list goes on and on.
Want to raft or kayak the toughest rivers in the east??? Please bring friends. Lets hike the Appalachian trail how many die each year doing this????? There are all manner of dangerous things that Sportsmen and adventurers do yearly that result in death. We just seem to be at the mercy of a convoluted, inconsistent set of bureaucratic rules that we accept for the sake of any access.
That my 2 psi
Curt
"Dry" cavers have faced this for years. I explore caves in National Parks, you have to have a permit, to explore caves on BLM property you have to have a permit, to explore caves in some state parks in TAG, you have to have a permit.Quote:
Originally Posted by curtschu
There are springs in State Parks in Missouri and they do not allow cave diving without a permit. We are blessed that the state of Florida allows it at all.
Curt, hope you are enjoying your sweet DiveRite changin mat!Quote:
Originally Posted by curtschu
A couple of things...seat belts are required, trans fats are going to end up being illegal, smoking bans, etc.
On Wakulla, the state doesn't own it. They lease it. I have been told that the current diving arrangement there now has less to do with the state than it does the actual owners of the land.
I know there are rules in place in many places that restrict use. What I think chaps most folks in the inconsistancy without any real reason!
I have never heard anyone complain about Jug Hole closing to divers while the Tubers are there. This rule makes sense. But why can't you dive in Blue springs Orange City when Manatees are there but you can at Kings
(yes I know State vs. Fed) but my point is are Federal Sea Cows somehow better able to handle divers looking at them than State Sea Cows? I know the thing that scares everyone is the State throws up it's hands and says NO DIVING PERIOD! so we make these deals to get into places and accept restrictions that have no basis on fact or saftey.
I know this is not a problem that is going to be fixed by posting on the internet I just want those that have the time and resources to pursue opening state areas to us to remember US is more than the few that have an Abe Davis award.