What is up with the NACD??

Hey all,

I have been trying to get a replacement NACD cave card since March of this year. I still have my original one, but it is old and hard to read.

I spoke to the NACD back in March, who had me fill out a form, and then send them payment for a replacement card. They also confirmed that I am certified with Jim Wyatt, my cave instructor.

Since then, they still have not sent me a new card, and are not responding to any of my emails.

Anyone have any suggestions how I can get a new card?

Thanks
Rick Hartman

I had the same readability issues with my old card. I received no response after completing the online replacement card app about 3 or 4 years ago and had to reach out to Rick Murcar who sped things along. Good luck.

Is this where we come to say "LOL" and point you to do a search and read about how ridiculous the NACD has become?

I may be wrong but can?t you get a NSSCDS instructor to give you a card if you show him your NACD card? I know you?d have to pay but ?. I say this because when you take a class they sometimes ask which card you want. I was considering doing that myself. Maybe Jim can do that for you since he was your instructor.
NACD is pretty much nonexistent in the states.


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I asked Jim about that back in March, but he suggested I go through the NACD first. I should probably reach out to him again.

Nacd is a joke. The chances of you actually getting a card are almost nil. Its been run into the ground by the ?president?


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I think the nacd isn't quite dead yet as the lawyer girlfriend hasn't drained all the funds to zero.
Maybe that's happened already?

I thought that once they had it completely shelled out they'd sell the assets and empty org...guess we haven't reached that phase yet.

Pity the NACD went that way. I still have my old red and black card. My wife got hers updated with a picture in (I think) 2018 after a few months wait. Guess I?ll have to do a crossover at some stage to get a NSS-CDS card. Still, some more training can?t hurt.


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I hate to hear this about the NACD. They used to have a fairly good journal, better than I thought of CDS “Underwater Speleology.” Back in 2000 when I got my full cave certification there were just a handful of instructors who were active in both NACD and NSS-CDS (btw a big thank you to Pat Watson).

It seems that diving in general and cave diving in particular are both past their zenith. Many folks still enjoy both, but they seem to evolved (or devolved) into something less than what they were.