Can intro diver do Jughole and remain within training guidelines?

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10-08-2011 03:37 AM
stairman

Can intro diver do Jughole and remain within training guidelines?

Im thinking the bedding plane is wide enough for 2 divers side by side, but the diamond sands restriction should be where they turn the dive correct? Im thinking if they decided to make it thru that they could wall it out on 6ths.
10-08-2011 04:36 AM
Kelly Jessop

There are enough rock projections that two people side by side will start that way,but won't last long. I really think that this cave dive is beyond the intent of intro/basic. Sidemounting has been known as an advanced cave diving specialty,but now with the advent of commercialized rigs it has become common,and instructors to keep up with market pressures will teach in sidemount configuration. Please note there is a difference in sidemount configuration and sidemounting-one is diving tanks on your side,but diving like a back mounter; the other is an advanced skills like tank removal,negotiating restrictions,communicating being stuck to your buddy etc etc.
Hence,is an intro diver in sidemount really ready for bedding planes and restrictions.
10-08-2011 08:06 AM
RN

I teach a lot of cave students in sidemount and the way I see it is if a backmount diver can't dive it because it's too small then it's not within the limitations of an intro/basic cave diver.
10-08-2011 10:57 AM
CaveMD

Quote:

Originally Posted by RN

I teach a lot of cave students in sidemount and the way I see it is if a backmount diver can't dive it because it's too small then it's not within the limitations of an intro/basic cave diver.

Even if it's purely a vertical height issue and nothing else? just curiosity :P
10-08-2011 01:52 PM
kidsdream

I don't think that Jug Hole would be the best option for an Intro SM diver

Going through the bedding plane might be marginal, but Diamond Sands is certainly a more significant challenge. Even in SM it requires (at least it did for me) a push/pull squeeze to get through. Of course, thinner divers might have less of a challenge.

Jeff
10-08-2011 03:23 PM
stairman

Im pretty skinny and found that turning sideways on my right side and lifting my left tank a bit worked fine. Im glad thats sand there and not silt.
10-09-2011 08:25 AM
RN

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaveMD

Even if it's purely a vertical height issue and nothing else? just curiosity :P

Yes. It should be backmountable to be appropriate for intro/basic cave divers.
10-09-2011 08:48 AM
Kelly Jessop

Quote:

Originally Posted by RN

Yes. It should be backmountable to be appropriate for intro/basic cave divers.

Easily backmountable-I have seen someone push through the bedding plane with back mounted tanks. Tore the cave up,and put their team in jeopardy for the 3 times I watched them get stuck.