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    Quote Originally Posted by KNo View Post
    But Stanton definitely knows what a no mount restriction is, so if he actually encouraged Musk to continue the development, the plan probably wasn't as futile as lots of divers have suggested? If it was hopeless, surely Stanton would have told him to just can it?
    Pumping water, drilling holes and kid-sized submarines are all hail-marys in the situation they were given, why would anybody discourage any of those things as long as they don't distract from their chosen plan? I don't fault Musk for wanting to play his part, but I do fault him for questioning the sanity of the rescuers publicly when he didn't get the play time he wanted.

    It would be interesting to see if this thing could be further developed for the next time. Anyone want to talk Musk into funding this thing?


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    Quote Originally Posted by KNo View Post
    But Stanton definitely knows what a no mount restriction is, so if he actually encouraged Musk to continue the development, the plan probably wasn't as futile as lots of divers have suggested? If it was hopeless, surely Stanton would have told him to just can it?
    I encourage people at work to go develop their ideas all the time. Worst case they leave me alone, and best case they leave me alone and make something useful in the process.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cmint View Post
    Here's a question, has anyone heard this addressed in any of the articles? From what I'm seeing now they were sedated, bound in a stretcher and towed / brought out wearing full face masks.


    Reports said some were completely asleep while others were wiggling their fingers.


    So my question is -- how did they equalize if they were sedated?
    There is an earlier post, but the max depth was only 16'. One wouldn't have to clear at that depth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben M View Post
    I encourage people at work to go develop their ideas all the time. Worst case they leave me alone, and best case they leave me alone and make something useful in the process.
    That's a great management trick. He didn't just leave them alone from the sound of it though. From the exchange it sounds like he was trying to push the thing on them and then got pissy when he was told thanks but this is not the best tool. To me that's pressuring. Maybe it just rubbed me the wrong way for headlines to keep popping up every time he tweeted, but it struck me as piggy-backing on an ongoing crisis to promote himself, especially when he acts like this. It makes it seem like what's more important to him is that they use his stuff, no matter if it helps or hinders.

    Just think, if he acts like this when they were completely successful without bending over backward to use his "submarine", what would he have said if they'd lost anyone?

    The whole media-pumping just bugged me. Lots of people really helped on this effort without seeing the need to have a press release saying they're thinking about it. I guess name-fatigue just rubbed me raw after a while, but it's time to get over it now.


    How 'bout them freaking divers, eh? Hooyah!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by kotik View Post
    ...How 'bout them freaking divers, eh? Hooyah!!
    Yes, they were all "Brilliant!".

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    I am in awe of the cave divers who masterminded and worked on this rescue .Completely in awe . I know that there were " many ,many people " involved who also deserve credit , maybe especially the Thai Navy Seals whose experience and equipment was related to sea diving .And especially to Saman Kunan.my heart goes out to his loved ones

    But the planning and organisation of the actual removal of the boys must owe a lot to a handful of expert cave divers .Incredible people . ( and I salute their loved ones as well )


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    Quote Originally Posted by it'snotanoxygentank View Post
    I am in awe of the cave divers who masterminded and worked on this rescue .Completely in awe . I know that there were " many ,many people " involved who also deserve credit , maybe especially the Thai Navy Seals whose experience and equipment was related to sea diving .And especially to Saman Kunan.my heart goes out to his loved ones

    But the planning and organisation of the actual removal of the boys must owe a lot to a handful of expert cave divers .Incredible people . ( and I salute their loved ones as well )
    I assume you know that most of the rescue divers were British? FWIW, the Seals couldn't figure out how to reach the boys until the British sump divers showed them the way. The Seals were helpful by bringing in fresh tanks every day. PS I love your username

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    Yes I do know that several British divers were the main drivers .

    And I also know that the Seals needed help - not surprising in this very specialised area . Can I say how brave I think they were - or is it considered that they/their commanders were foolhardy ?

    User name is just a tiny token, trying to respect the intricacies of diving. Of which I have no experience or knowledge .


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    Quote Originally Posted by it'snotanoxygentank View Post
    Yes I do know that several British divers were the main drivers .

    And I also know that the Seals needed help - not surprising in this very specialised area . Can I say how brave I think they were - or is it considered that they/their commanders were foolhardy ?

    User name is just a tiny token, trying to respect the intricacies of diving. Of which I have no experience or knowledge .
    There is a fine line between foolhardy and brave. Considering that it was their people in the cave, they had to do something. That makes them brave in my opinion.

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    I agree ,very brave .



 

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