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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdave View Post
    Yes, just ask the CDS. Death by 1000 cuts.
    Was the CDS protected by a law that prohibited law suits for cave diving activities? My original point is that in PA a horseback rider may not (try to focus on the NOT part) sue for death or injury for either the rider or the animal because of state statue. They simply can't bring the suit. Many states have laws like this. They were developed because Horseback riding on someone else land was going to go away because people feared litigation. These laws are known as "assumption of risk" and Florida also has one;

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    Under Florida law, an equine activity sponsor or equine professional is not liable for an injury to, or the death of, a participant in equine activities resulting from the inherent risks of equine activities.
    Fla. Stat. ? 773.05 (1993)

    773.05 Limitation on liability of persons making land available to public for recreational purposes.

    Nothing in ss. 773.01-773.05 shall be construed to limit in any way the limitation of liability granted to private citizens who allow the public to use their land for recreational purposes, as provided in s. 375.251.

    If the equine crowd can protect landowners, maybe cave divers could as well. Is there a lawyer/cave diver who can shed some light on it. If Ginnie didn't have to worry about getting sued by cave divers maybe they would have time to tackle rowdy behavior, rampant drug use, and the occasional assault from some of their tubers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hbm View Post
    Under Florida law, an equine activity sponsor or equine professional is not liable for an injury to, or the death of, a participant in equine activities resulting from the inherent risks of equine activities.
    Fla. Stat. ? 773.05 (1993)
    Are you suggesting that we take a horse cave diving with us? Hell, they could never do a decent frog kick. It would upset Oliver that no horse could pass a fundies class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OFG-1 View Post
    Are you suggesting that we take a horse cave diving with us? Hell, they could never do a decent frog kick. It would upset Oliver that no horse could pass a fundies class.
    The only reason the horse can do a better frog kick than some, is because it has been beaten to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OFG-1 View Post
    Are you suggesting that we take a horse cave diving with us? Hell, they could never do a decent frog kick. It would upset Oliver that no horse could pass a fundies class.

    Yes, yes! Finally somebody gets it...


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    Quote Originally Posted by hbm View Post
    ...If the equine crowd can protect landowners, maybe cave divers could as well. Is there a lawyer/cave diver who can shed some light on it. If Ginnie didn't have to worry about getting sued by cave divers maybe they would have time to tackle rowdy behavior, rampant drug use, and the occasional assault from some of their tubers.
    There is a sportsman's law in Florida that covers things like cave diving. The problem is it does't work if the landowner charges to be on their land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FW View Post
    There is a sportsman's law in Florida that covers things like cave diving. The problem is it does't work if the landowner charges to be on their land.
    I suppose the solution then is to let divers dive for free. Win-win right? haha


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    Quote Originally Posted by hbm View Post
    Yes, yes! Finally somebody gets it...
    I have a problem with horses in cave diving. While we may be able to find a cc that will fit, there's the other end to worry about and there's already way too much of that in the cave community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wingman View Post
    I have a problem with horses in cave diving. While we may be able to find a cc that will fit, there's the other end to worry about and there's already way too much of that in the cave community.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_horse


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    Quote Originally Posted by FW View Post
    There is a sportsman's law in Florida that covers things like cave diving. The problem is it does't work if the landowner charges to be on their land.
    Or charges, IIRC.

    Either way, landowners have been sued even with the sportsman law. Sure it gets dismissed, but it still isn't free to defend yourself. It's free to say no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OFG-1 View Post
    Are you suggesting that we take a horse cave diving with us? Hell, they could never do a decent frog kick. It would upset Oliver that no horse could pass a fundies class.
    Horses can get chamber rides in Florida before cave divers too so there's some horse... sense there. But I ain't cleaning NO hoof prints off the cave floors.

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