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    Here is my most recent test data in Walls survey program. As you can see, the closure error is fairly small, in fact it is closer that I got using a fiberglass tape, and Suunto survey compass. The test Jason and I did was when we were just starting with the MNemo, and didn't know how to calibrate the compass, or how to account for measuring around tie-offs, and knots.

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    Another update:

    I just tried the Mnemo underwater again, this time for a section of unknotted line laid by someone who has already been reminded numerous times of the magnitude of his crime. Since then the system has reversed and there was a lot of debris on the line. I was using the device in Basic mode, which is very easy.

    The first few shots went fine, but after 4-5 shots I found that the display was not flashing as I moved the Mnemo up the line. I am pretty sure that this was because debris on the line had jammed the wheel. I had tried to clean off the line with my fingers as well as I could before it went through the Mnemo, but inevitably some got in there.

    When I got home I flushed clean water through and it started working fine again.

    I think there are unfortunately still situations where a compass and tape are the best option.

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    Here are some tips and tricks related to the different issues/questions that appeared during tests and review :

    -Wheel jamming:

    This of course always a possibility with old/dirty line and the main contributing factor will be the lack or little tension of that line . When that happens a trick that worked fine for me ( only happened once to myself ), is to hold the line in a hand, increase the tension and then swiftly roll back and forth the mnemo to clean the wheel, that should do the trick probably in 90% of the cases. Of course after that you?ll have to resurvey that particular shot. If you notice the wheel is not spinning first check if the line has enough tension and if possible adding an extra wrap on a tie off to increase the tension often solves the problem.

    -Concerning calibration :

    Ignore the number after the message displayed, when you are asked to place the device on each side, randomly go from one side to the other making sure it lays at least 5s on each side. Move slowly from one side to the other. Repeat that until the screen turn green indicating the end of calibration.

    -Obstacles on the line:

    It is important to know that the device measures distance whether you move it forward or backward. This is done intentionally. In case you have an obstacle on the line (thick knot, arrow etc .. ) , roll the mnemo all the way to the obstacle, then back the length of the obstacle plus the size of the Mnemo. Unclip it from the line (do not stop the survey or add a station) and clip it on again after the obstacle. Resume rolling the device until you reached next station.
    Like this no loss of time to rearrange the line.

    -Compensation for thick tie wraps:
    You can compensate the loss in measurement of the round part of a large tie wrap by rolling back the device the estimated distance that is missing.

    -Display or not display :
    We recommend all user of Mnemo to get familiar enough with the device to use only the colors of the screen and not read the menu at each station. This will increase the smoothness of the process and allows them to focus on stabilizing and clipping on and off the device. A special mode (called BASIC) for very bad visibility and deep diving will be introduced shortly. This will use only color code during survey.

    -Opening the pressure plate (gate)
    Brute force WON?T help. Hold the white lever between thumb and index, apply a rotational force forward and THEN pull backward. Although the actual configuration is hard to operate it is also the one that offers, in my opinion the safest grip on the line. Futur devices will have the option to replace the central hard spring by two softer ones on each side.

    -Organizing work, multiple sections

    I personally call all my section AA1 ? In most cases I can remember what I survey and in which order. In more complex scenario you can either take the time to change the name of the section or write on an slate complementary information.

    Hope some of this was can be of help.

    Sebastien


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    Thanks Sebastian.

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    Picked up my device in Playa del Carmen a few days ago.

    So far have only played with it on land but going to take it surveying in a flooded mine in the next few weeks. Works as advertised on land. I "surveyed" a couple rooms.

    Perhaps I should be practicing using it with dry gloves?

    I downloaded/paid for Ariane's Line software but are there any other pieces of software that people prefer that I can import data into?

    I'm pretty new to cave surveying so it's learning experience for me. The software outputs survey data in excel/csv format that I am fairly certain I can convert to whatever I need.


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    Quote Originally Posted by macado View Post
    Picked up my device in Playa del Carmen a few days ago.

    So far have only played with it on land but going to take it surveying in a flooded mine in the next few weeks. Works as advertised on land. I "surveyed" a couple rooms.

    Perhaps I should be practicing using it with dry gloves?

    I downloaded/paid for Ariane's Line software but are there any other pieces of software that people prefer that I can import data into?

    I'm pretty new to cave surveying so it's learning experience for me. The software outputs survey data in excel/csv format that I am fairly certain I can convert to whatever I need.
    Mnemo data imports into Walls just fine. You do need to know the "trick" to use depth, instead of inclination. Rchrds, and Jlillest are the experts on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FW View Post
    Mnemo data imports into Walls just fine. You do need to know the "trick" to use depth, instead of inclination. Rchrds, and Jlillest are the experts on here.
    If you send me a survey file I can write a script to convert it for you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jlillest View Post
    If you send me a survey file I can write a script to convert it for you.
    Is this for me, or macado? I have a template I got from Jason. Macado will need something, if he goes to Walls. FWIW, Ariane's Lines works fine, but it is a subscription, Walls is free. Not to mention, Walls can deal with "dry" caves, in case an underwater cave ever comes up in air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FW View Post
    Is this for me, or macado? I have a template I got from Jason. Macado will need something, if he goes to Walls. FWIW, Ariane's Lines works fine, but it is a subscription, Walls is free. Not to mention, Walls can deal with "dry" caves, in case an underwater cave ever comes up in air.
    For anyone. The template works too.

    I've been using a digital sketch program that exports stuff that Walls, Compass and other programs can use right away. No manual changes needed. It's nice when things just work.

    -Jon


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    I recently used the MNemo to survey about 10000 feet of new cave and it was flawless
    It's an exploration game changer a revolution even. With MNemo, you literally can swim out at the same speed as if you were not even surveying and you get a very precise survey.
    Not to mention you can easily survey fast and precise in zero viz, all you need is to see the MNemo screen glow nothing more.



    Then when you get home super tired and worn out and still have to input the data with MNemo it's literally plug and play, plug it in select were the new line or lines go and click the coresponding data and it's all done!

    Those who explore and think "yeah I'll save the money and just stick to manual survey" just have not tried an MNemo

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