I keep having the same conversation with OW divers who think 10 trips to the gate in Vortex, qualifies them to be cave divers. I'm having the same conversation with freshly minted cavern divers who think cavern = cave.
Being a lowly cavern diver myself, I feel I have less room to lecture folks with the same level of training.
Perhaps I'm off base, but I think it would be beneficial to give these folks a list of names, and let them look up the circumstances of those peoples' passings, and then simply ask the question, "Are you a better diver than these folks?" These (in some cases) world-class pioneer divers thought they could bend the rules, and look what happened.
If you think this is a bad idea, please make your argument, I'm open-minded on the subject.
If you agree with my thinking, please add names to the thread. I'm mostly interested in full cave or technical divers, and I'd like to focus on folks who are experienced vs. newly minted.
p.s.: The reason I think this is a good idea is because you often get better results with an argument by asking a question as opposed to making a statement. Also, one of my favorite underwater photographs is a NatGeo pic by Wes Skiles. Agnes Milowka is one of the two divers in the photo (see below). Whenever I see that photo, I'm struck by amazing beauty of that location. It's indescribable. My second thought is always, two-thirds of the people executing this dive are dead. To me, it's humbling.