Cave Diving Death?

[Slüdge]

If a chicken and a half lay an egg and a half in a day and a half, how long would it take a blind grasshopper to kick all the seeds out of a dill pickle?

[Mark Vlahos]

if a diver dies in his car in a cave under a race track and no one is around to hear him die. Does he make a noise?

No, but his wife will still say he is wrong.

[MORGAN]

How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

Mike

[sskasser]

If a chicken and a half lay an egg and a half in a day and a half, how long would it take a blind grasshopper to kick all the seeds out of a dill pickle?

42

[JahJahwarrior]

if you die while attempting a cave dive, it's a cave dive fatality. doesn't matter what gear you wore or didn't wear, or what training you had or didn't have. If you die of a heart attack in your car in the parking lot after a cave dive, it's not a cave dive fatality.

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If I die on my way to a cave with an intent to dive the cave, is that a cave diving fatality? If I die in open water on my way into the cave, is that a cave diving fatality? If I die in open water after exiting the overhead environment, is that a cave dive?

I think it's tough to fully define what is and isn't a cave diving fatality without having room for margin. A heart attack underwater might have nothing to do with the fact that you were in an overhead environment, so why do we attribute that to a cave diving death? Why not simply call it a diving death? I think there is a difference between cause and location that is vitally important in assuring others that are our sport is not incredibly reckless: the number of deaths that were in a cave is much higher than the number of people whose life span was shortened by virtue of being underneath rocks.

In this case, I feel very comfortable saying "it was a death in an overhead environment" but I struggle to feel comfortable putting it in the same column of data as deaths such as those of Steve Berman.

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I wasn't trying to define cave diving fatality or say that's what it should be. I was saying that's the most likely way of defining by the press. If one is in the cave, it's a cave diving fatality. If one is not in the cave it's not. The various nuances are too nuanced for a nonnuanced public.

It can also be that a stroke is the result of the cave dive (overexertion), so I don't see how to take all strokes and put them in a category of non-cave related. If the person had not been cave diving that day, the stroke would not have occurred. But was the stroke just waiting in the wings for an opportunity? And if so is that a cave diving fatality or just the grim reaper doing his job?

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[diveconjeff]

Did he cross the line in first?

[diveconjeff]

But then I guess he would have crossed "under the line"...