Do you Run a Primary @...

[atedeschi]

Just curious to see how many do and how many do not and at which sites. The poll allows you to give multiple answers, and dont worry no one can see who voted what. If you vote yes in Peacock please post at which site.

[sandy]

At Peacock, referring to PI, Pothole and Peanut, and at Orange Grove.

[atedeschi]

For those don't run lines at peacock which areas do you do this at?
Also for those who don't run a line in ginnie but do in little river, why?

[MedCop]

I run a line at LR, Peacock, Ginnie...have not dove Manatee.

In fact, I have run a line at every cave I have dove. I don't mind running a line and it gives me that little extra good feeling knowing I have a continued line to OW / Surface. Do I think I really need a line in all systems, well no, but I will continue to run one.

[Diverlee]

Depends on conditions at Little River, such as near flood .
At Peacock I don't ONLY at the Main line or the Peanut line.

[FW]

For those don't run lines at peacock which areas do you do this at?
Also for those who don't run a line in ginnie but do in little river, why?
The whole reason for a primary is safety. The lines at Ginnie, and P1 come close enough to the entrance to be safe, except when there is tanic water over the entrance. Little river is safe under ideal conditions, but it doesn't take much to make it unsafe.

Peacock 3 always needs a line, Manatee is a harder call, since so many people do a drift dive from Friedman's, but the line keeps getting moved, so that is pretty dangerous.

FWIW, It never hurts to run a primary anywhere, you never know what may happen while you are in the cave.

[curtschu]

P1 almost never, OG everytime, Ginnie Depends on conditions, LR depends on conditions mostly how many gobbers are going to be there.

[atedeschi]

thanks for the responses so far. I find the answers interesting.

[chimie007]

thanks for the responses so far. I find the answers interesting.

What do you find interesting ? To me, this is in line with other discussions about primaries in other threads. (here or on TDS). Also, in line with what we see diving these places.

[cavediver256]

OG, Manatee, & LR yep I run the reel every time.

Ginnie (the Ear) and PI I don't usually run a reel, but it does depend on the team I am diving with.

[LiteHedded]

i dont run one at pI
I do at orange grove and pIII
yes at LR and no at ginnie

[MORGAN]

i dont run one at pI
I do at orange grove and pIII
yes at LR and no at ginnie

Ditto. And yes at Manatee.

Mike

[LiteHedded]

Ditto. And yes at Manatee.

Mike

oh yea I run one there too :)

[SuPrBuGmAn]

Yes to all except Peacock. I don't run 3' of line at Peacock I to OW. I do at Peacock III, Orange Grove, Waterhole, etc.

[amphipod06]

I think P3 should be in it's own category, I run a line there every time, not so much elsewhere. Bonnet also, if you count it as a part of Peacock....

Dive safe,

Celia

[J_glenn06]

This more than likely needs to be in a new thread but why is the line so close to the cavern and ow in some places but not in others? for example: p1 and ginnie are close but orange grove isnt?

[Slüdge]

Close in Peacock 1 because open water diver aren't allowed in the spring at all, but deep into Orange Grove because open water divers are allowed.

At the Devil System, because they aren't supposed to have lights there.

[RN]

Yes at PIII and OG. What about Jackson Blue? Another popular cave where primaries don't get run often.

[TommyB]

Yes,
I run a line - Really don't matter if it's 3 feet or 100 ft. Something about having the line in place makes me all cozy and warm :)

[Burke]

I don't run a line at Ginnie, but I'm certainly willing to work with someone that does. Buddy diving requires diving by the highest common denominator, not the lowest.

If my buddy wants to run a line, then I have no problem following in second position while he runs it. I'll even light the way for him... :)

[Rubis]

Ginnie is the only system where I don't run a primary in the US.

In France the line starts always in OW and sometimes even in the air, so there is usually no need for a primary.

[deanme]

I wish we here in the US would do the same, and adopt the standard of putting in a permanent primary line leading to open water. I understand the philosophy of protecting OW divers who may follow the line into a cave, but I also understand how dangerous it can be diving in a popular cave on a weekend when 10 other teams are in the cave. I’ll probably get zinged for this comment, but I think the benefits of not having a permanent primary line outweigh the costs. And yes, I understand that I would not be the one to be hurt by following a line without the proper training.

Specifically, how many times have you gone in or out of the Eye at Ginnie, and had to negotiate 5 different primary lines, many of which are strategically placed to entangle any diver passing through the area. I call these primary lines gill nets. Maybe I should ask Greenpeace to take up my cause in the same manner as they are trying to address gill nets catching dauphins?

Or, maybe we can start a tee time process similar to golf? We can sign up for cave entry times and limit the number of primary lines in the opening?

Please note, I’m not criticizing those that put in primary lines. If I’m not diving in a cave that I haven’t been in 20 times before, I always put in a primary line. That is the safe thing to do. And yes, I agree we need to accomodate others in the dive team who prefer a primary line. That is the polite and respectful thing to do. My suggestion is to make running a primary line redundant, and put in a permanent line, strategically placed that is safe for everyone; a line that we can all rely on to be there when we exit the cave.

I think we here in the US feel we have a fiduciary responsibility to protect the irresponsible from harming themselves. If we have a sign in place warning open water divers not to pass, and they choose to ignore the warning and follow a permanent line into a cave and dive past their skill level, that is their choice and they should take responsibility for their decision. Kind of like allowing someone to operate a motor cycle without a helmet.