New Cave Diving Book from the CDS

[Kelly Jessop]

The Cave Diving Section of the National Speleological Society is proud to announce the release of a new book entitled Cave Diving - Articles and Opinions. This softbound book is printed on glossy high quality paper using offset printing (not cheaper digital) to take advantage of the high resolution photography.

The book has been carefully edited by Jill Heinerth and Bill Oigarden to provide the highest quality content for its 320 pages and 56 chapters on every subject of cave diving you can imagine.

The table of contents includes:
Cave Diving History Time Line by Bill Oigarden and Kelly Jessop
Finding Cave Diver Training in the 1970s by Bill Oigarden
Geology of Cave and Karst by Jerry Murphy MS,PG
Cave Diving and Conservation Hydrogeology by Todd Kincaid PhD
Fauna and Conservation of Submerged Cave Systems by Jill Yager PhD
Biology of Underwater Caves by Tom Illife PhD
Conservation by Jeffrey Bozanic PhD
Basic Cave Equipment by Jill Heinerth
Modern Lights for Cave Diving by Lamar Hires
Use of Guidelines by Jill Heinerth
Propulsion Techniques by Kelly Jessop
Gas Supply Management by Jill Heinerth
Open Circuit and Rebreather Gas Management by Kevin Gurr
The Debate Over “Doing it Right” by Jarrod Jablonski
Accident Analysis by Jeffrey Bozanic PhD
Accident Analysis by Lamar Hires
Survival Psychology by David Sawatzky MD
Psychobiology of Cave Divers by Bill Oigarden LMHC
Who Do You Want to Dive With by Bill Oigarden LMHC
Team Diving Methods and Motivations by Mark Messersmith and Todd Leonard
Fitness and Dive Safely by Cameron Martz ACSM H/FI
Inert Gas Narcosis by Hal Watts
Nitrox for Cave Divers by Larry Collins
Mixed Gas and Decompression Diving by Claudia Milz PhD
Hypothermia and Cave Diving by David Sawatzky MD
Thermal Protection and Cave Diving by David Sawatzky MD
Women and Technical Diving by Jill Heinerth
Practical Decompression by Jeffrey Bozanic PhD
Doppler and Decompression Sickness by David Sawatzky MD
Dive Computers by Gene Melton
Computers of the Future by Jerry Murphy and Jill Heinerth
Decompression Models by Gene Melton
DPV Use in Caves by Paul Heinerth
Cave Photography and Travel by Jill Heinerth
My Journey into Underwater Photography by Harvey Boyd
Getting the Shot by Jill Heinerth
Initial Exploration of New Caves by Cindy Butler
Ridgewalking and Locating Caves Utilizing GPS by Brian Williams
Landowner Relations by Mike Poucher
Dive Referencing by Guy Bryant
Introduction to Maps by Mike Poucher
Remote or Expeditionary Cave Diving by Ann Kristovich DDS and Jim Bowden
CyberDiving by Russell Edge
Tips for Traveling Divers by Pete Nawrocky
Cold Water Cave Diving by Ron Simmons
A Blueprint for Rebreather Diving by Jill Heinerth
Sidemount Cave Diving for the Independent Diver by Brian Kakuk
Sidemount Diving by Jason Richards
Stage Diving by Ward Beecher
Low Visibility Diving by Al Heck
A Quick Guide to Sump Diving by Forrest Wilson
Intro to Sump Diving by Joe Kaffl
Putting it All Together for Sump Diving by Ron Simmons
Sump Diving by Jason Richards
Plus appendix information and a detailed index

The retail cost of this book $42.95,and of course a 10% membership discount for NSS-CDS members

This book can be ordered from the web site at www.nsscds.org (http://www.nsscds.org) (if you don't see this on the online shopping listing,give it a day,the CDS elves are very busy)

[Slüdge]

I'm really looking forward to reading this! :yawinkle:

[SuPrBuGmAn]

Nice, gonna have to pick this one up as soon as I get a bit of free $$(after Christmas).

[deepdiverbob]

This has been added to my list of things I want/need

[Squirrel Girl]

And since I'm headed down to FL within the week, can I pick my copy up down there? If so, how, where?

[Kelly Jessop]

And since I'm headed down to FL within the week, can I pick my copy up down there? If so, how, where?


Contact Gwen Wyatt at 386-454-5550

[RN]

I'll be seeing Jim in a week. I'll have to pick up my copy then.

[Squirrel Girl]

Contact Gwen Wyatt at 386-454-5550
Thanks!

[bgillespie82]

Looking forward to reading this, Thanks Kelly!!

[sskasser]

"Dear Santa...I've been very very good...well...kinda good....ummm...not really really bad...ah hell...could you please get me the book anyway?"

Kelly and everyone responsible....thanks! This looks like great stuff!

[Me]

This little Santa just ordered one for the dive buddy!!:smt081

[rrosepiler]

Hey does anybody know if this book is going to take the place of the old cave diving manual I know I just recently finishe my basic with Jill Heinerth and the book seemed like it needed to be updated.

[RN]

It doesn't look like it. What version of the cave diving manual do you have? They just recently updated the manual.

[Kelly Jessop]

Today the book will appear at some of your favorite dive shops/fill stations

[stairman]

I already know the wifes response,"dont you have enough books on cavediving".And Ill say"they all have something else to teach you" or Ill just pick up a copy without her Knowing and when she sees it Ill tell her"Ive had that book a long time"maybe scuff up the cover a little too.

[Kelly Jessop]

I already know the wifes response,"dont you have enough books on cavediving".And Ill say"they all have something else to teach you" or Ill just pick up a copy without her Knowing and when she sees it Ill tell her"Ive had that book a long time"maybe scuff up the cover a little too.

I have to say this book covers subjects that you've never seen in print so completely.

[deepdiverbob]

It doesn't look like it. What version of the cave diving manual do you have? They just recently updated the manual.

Mine shows last update was 2001.

[FW]

It doesn't look like it. What version of the cave diving manual do you have? They just recently updated the manual.

Mine shows last update was 2001.
I think the word "They" is the problem here. More than one organization prints books about cave diving. PSA recently released a book. There are also "Student Workbooks" that some people refer to as "Manuals".

[Jerry]

THe CDS Cave Diving Manual was simply reprinted; the information is much older.

Jerry

[Line Squirrel]

Cathy got a shipment in at Dive Outpost today. I just got a chance to thumb through a copy of the new book.....pretty niiiiice :clapper

[Kelly Jessop]

Cathy got a shipment in at Dive Outpost today. I just got a chance to thumb through a copy of the new book.....pretty niiiiice :clapper

A "pretty nice" from Mike is practically an endorsement.

[fno]

Copies will be at CEE and Amigos tomorow(today?)

[Kelly Jessop]

Copies will be at CEE and Amigos tomorow(today?)
Thanks Frank,and copies are at CE and Dive Outpost

[Rich]

Copies will be at CEE and Amigos tomorow(today?)

We've got them in at Cave East and they look really nice! We'll be closing a little early today (at 4.00pm) so our employees can be with their families, but we'll be open regular hours tomorrow. Hope everyone is having a great holiday season.... :)

Safe diving,

Rich

[Line Squirrel]

A "pretty nice" from Mike is practically an endorsement.

The new book would make a great last minute Christmas gift for that special cave diver or aspiring cave diver.....hows that? :yawinkle:

[RN]

I'll be in your area next week, Mike. You don't have to wrap it... ;)




I think the word "They" is the problem here. More than one organization prints books about cave diving. PSA recently released a book. There are also "Student Workbooks" that some people refer to as "Manuals".

True. But didn't the CDS release a new version of something recently?

[rkij]

Just put my order in today! Now i got to watch for the mailman. lol

[Puttzer]

What the hell is is going on with the NSS / CDS?

Received this email tonight:

Dear Cave Diver,

You have recently ordered a copy of Cave Diving Articles and Opinions through our PayPal link on our web site. Some members of the NSS-CDS Board of Directors, have voiced personal objections to the cover photo, which portrays NSS-CDS Cave Diving Instructor #289, Larry Green - a noted pioneer and respected member of our community.

At the moment, the NSS-CDS Board is withholding my stock of books and therefore I am temporarily unable to fulfill your order. I believe that this issue can be resolved in the next few days and that I will be able to expedite your book. If this is not resolved by next Tuesday, January 6, 2009, I will contact you again about initiating refunds. If you would like a refund earlier, please email me directly at *...* and we will take care of it immediately.

I take pride in my integrity and count many of you as my dear friends. I hope you can understand the frustration and anguish over these events. If you want to help speed the process, please email or phone the Board members and tell them to expedite the distribution of the book in its current form.

Contact: Kelly Jessop chairman@nsscds.org

Thanks for your support.

[Me]

What the heck??? I guess that explains why I haven't gotten the copy I ordered yet too.

[YBWET]

Maybe Jill should have used a picture of Mickey Mouse ?? This is NUT'S !! SEND OUT MY BOOK !!!

[SuPrBuGmAn]

Apparently some people would rather waste money fixing something thats NOT broke. I wish I could get my copy with the original cover, looks quality to me! Looks like Jill can't sell her own books, friggin sweet eh?

Definately some people out there that need to get a grip on reality.

[Squirrel Girl]

Maybe Jill should have used a picture of Mickey Mouse ?? This is NUT'S !! SEND OUT MY BOOK !!!

Ya think? I picked up a copy at Cathy's the day before the recall. I didn't pay any attention to the cover. It was a cave diver. He was wearing red and was in a cave. Out the door I went.

I've always thought that there was something wrong with a lot of the cave divers in FL. Egos and the biggest fights I've ever seen. I am a moderator on several fora. One fellow moderator was all in a tizzy over an online fight. I calmed him down. I gave some examples of what caver divers do when they disagree. So then he realized what we were going through wasn't so bad afterall.

It's a frigging picture of a cave diver. It looks nice. Maybe there's back story that Jill didn't know about and maybe a different picture would have been better. But deal with that on the second edition! This is nuts!

I'll write my email supporting the book being back on the shelves in the online ordering system.

[inkdiver]

Yup and when the CDS elections come up, remember that you can vote the incumbents in (who sanctioned this BS) or you can vote them out and vote in new people with some brains. I know who I'll be casting my vote for....anyone who is NOT currently on the Board of the CDS.

Oh yeah, I got my copy before the embargo and it is really a great book.

[Puttzer]

I would sum up my perspective of the CDS actions, as a suggestion to Jill:

don't deal with the devil even if you think you know him.

And how did her legal advisor allow her give up her control?

She and the authors and all of us deserve better than the CDS.
Maybe they'll put a picture of the CDS Board of Directors on the cover?

[Cindy]

I hate to get into this but here goes. The BOD is responding to complaints by members. They didn't make this up all by themselves. I know because someone left me on the BOD email list after resigned from the UWS editor gig. I do not think a decision has been made, they have to take in what people say, how much it would cost to fix the books etc. A lot of negotiating with Jill and others went into this book. Not to mention a lot of CDS funds. No one is trying to pick on anybody. The BOD is not out to get Jill and I feel it's unfortunate that she sent that email out with any orders.

What you can do is if you are a member then email the BOD with your opinion. Make a formal request. Show up at the next BOD meeting and say WTF if you want.

The CDS would love to sell books and have the money now if they can. They also have to respond to members wishes and complaints.

[steve2281]

Looks like post(s) have disappeared from this thread. Did the poster(s) break any rules?

[RHolmesJr]

Here we go measuring our DIC's again. Will it ever stop. I dont care, I'm going diving damn it.

[wingman]

Looks like post(s) have disappeared from this thread. Did the poster(s) break any rules?

Post, singular. Yes, in my opinion the post violated rule # 6 with regard to comments about individuals...Bill Huth

[cavediver256]

OK am I the only one that is just totally confused by all of this??? I have to be missing something..... What did I miss here???

Edit: Nevermind I got it..... :smt102 It seems some people still judge a book by its cover .....

[Line Squirrel]

What you can do is if you are a member then email the BOD with your opinion.


http://www.cavediver.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9345

[deepdiverbob]

I bought my book last week when I got to CE, and have just about read it cover to cover already at night. Some really good stuff in there.

[ltb7733]

Here Is An Idea. Get A List Of All Those Who Complained About The Cover And Withhold Their Copy Of The Book. Not Mine!!!!! Of All The Stupid Things To Complain About. This Is Beyond Ridiculous. I Am Now Embarrassed To Be A Member Of The Cave Community. Lets Make Public The List Of Names Who Complained So I Can Fart In Their General Direction And Send Them Off To The Black Forest.

[Signal 20]

disregard this post, i was wondering where my copy of the book from NSSCDS was, however i guess i got my anwser by reading page 4....what a childish problem

[Puttzer]

Right now I don't want to support the NSS/CDS "nonsense" or wait for the book or be stuck with their new improved cover.

So if anyone wants to sell me their old used book, I'll pay extra!
That way the CDS doesn't get $ from me and I still get the book.
And the seller can buy the new version if they want and have $ left over.

PM me and lets make a deal

[bullfrog]

The original book will be much more valuable now because there are less of them. You lucky dogs that got them!!!!!!!So what was wrong with the cover for us who got on here after posts were deleted. Is a red dry suit offensive? Glad I got black and blue!

[RN]

I hate to get into this but here goes. The BOD is responding to complaints by members. They didn't make this up all by themselves. I know because someone left me on the BOD email list after resigned from the UWS editor gig. I do not think a decision has been made, they have to take in what people say, how much it would cost to fix the books etc. A lot of negotiating with Jill and others went into this book. Not to mention a lot of CDS funds. No one is trying to pick on anybody. The BOD is not out to get Jill and I feel it's unfortunate that she sent that email out with any orders.

What you can do is if you are a member then email the BOD with your opinion. Make a formal request. Show up at the next BOD meeting and say WTF if you want.

The CDS would love to sell books and have the money now if they can. They also have to respond to members wishes and complaints.

I usually don't get involved in these discussions, but maybe some of you should re-read Cindy's post. To me, it doesn't appear the CDS BOD is doing anything other than what they were voted in to do - represent the members, all the members. The BOD received a complaint. In turn they received some supporting e-mails and non-supporting e-mails. The correct thing to do is hold off distribution while they review the situation. Why doesn't everyone just wait to see what the BOD decides before you start slamming them? And this may take a few days. What we're reading on the Internet may not be the only thing that is involved here. I'm sure the BOD will do the right thing, whatever that is. Until then, my opinion is on hold. I believe others should do the same.

[Rustykfd]

I usually don't get involved in these discussions, but maybe some of you should re-read Cindy's post. To me, it doesn't appear the CDS BOD is doing anything other than what they were voted in to do - represent the members, all the members. The BOD received a complaint. In turn they received some supporting e-mails and non-supporting e-mails. The correct thing to do is hold off distribution while they review the situation. Why doesn't everyone just wait to see what the BOD decides before you start slamming them? And this may take a few days. What we're reading on the Internet may not be the only thing that is involved here. I'm sure the BOD will do the right thing, whatever that is. Until then, my opinion is on hold. I believe others should do the same.

Did you consider that some are using these forums to provide feedback to their elected representatives?

[gulfdiver]

I usually don't get involved in these discussions, but maybe some of you should re-read Cindy's post. To me, it doesn't appear the CDS BOD is doing anything other than what they were voted in to do - represent the members, all the members. The BOD received a complaint. In turn they received some supporting e-mails and non-supporting e-mails. The correct thing to do is hold off distribution while they review the situation. Why doesn't everyone just wait to see what the BOD decides before you start slamming them? And this may take a few days. What we're reading on the Internet may not be the only thing that is involved here. I'm sure the BOD will do the right thing, whatever that is. Until then, my opinion is on hold. I believe others should do the same.

Well said. I know some of these Guy's and trust them to do the right thing.

[Kelly Jessop]

The board of the Cave Diving Section thanks everyone for their patience,and understanding while working to resolve an issue regarding the new book. The book has been released and all orders will be fulfilled immediately. We apologize for any inconvenience that may have occured,and hope everyone can enjoy the hard work of all those involved.
Sincerely,and have a good new year
Kelly Jessop,Chairman NSS-CDS

[YBWET]

The board of the Cave Diving Section thanks everyone for their patience,and understanding while working to resolve an issue regarding the new book. The book has been released and all orders will be fulfilled immediately. We apologize for any inconvenience that may have occured,and hope everyone can enjoy the hard work of all those involved.
Sincerely,and have a good new year
Kelly Jessop,Chairman NSS-CDS


THANK GOODNESS!!!

[RN]

Did you consider that some are using these forums to provide feedback to their elected representatives?

Re-read my post. I never stated not to state your opinions here, just not to slam the BOD...

[Puttzer]

Any chance the CDS will ever tell us the real motivation for their actions?

Honorable men do odd things sometimes to protect their organizations and indirectly their members. Some would call them dishonorable things.

How do we not insist on openness in the CDS?
Or do we not want it?

Richard
Tallahassee

[fno]

The motivation has been explained already, also maligned, misinterpreted, mistated, and misunderstood. Please try to remember that Jill is selling the book to make money for Jill. The CDS is selling the book to make money to support the CDS and it's membership.

[Jerry]

............................Jill is selling the book to make money for Jill. The CDS is selling the book to make money to support the CDS and it's membership.

Frank,

Jill is the most generous person I know and ALWAYS willing to freely give knowledge/experience to any one who wishes. There are many out there that won't even talk to you unless you are paying them. Don't say that Jill is ONLY in it for the money; it is also a desire to give the community a quality resource.

To beat all the semantic arguers; I know he didn't use the word ONLY but the implication says it loud and clear.

If Jill had done this for the money she wouldn't have done it. There are far more profitable ways to make money than this book.

Jerry

[fno]

I don't see an "ONLY" in my post. And I am familiar with Jills generosity and contributions also, and I do not mean to disparage any of that.

[fno]

I don't see an "ONLY" in my post.