Rigging Dubs

[normblitch]

I’m close to rigging a set of double Faber 85’s for backmount, and I have a few questions I would like to put up for discussion & comment…

Having seen Highland and DR bands side-by-side, I must admit the Highland’s ARE more robust…is that much extra steel REALLY necessary for 85’s?

DR simple harnesses come with a grommet to go up with the top band-bolt on the plate. Mark at FE has a softer 2” web than the nominal DR material: its’ initial pliability resembles what my current b/plate has on its’ straps after almost 1-year of use. How do you put a hole in Webbing, and do you use a grommet like DR??

Lake City Tom has pointed out to me that dubs should be handled by the valves, not the crossbar. He opined that “Johnny-rings” make a good hand grip as well. Doesn’t the D-ring at the bottom of the dubs pose a line-trap??

Finally, is there any difference between OMS shoulder pads and the ones from DR??

TIA

Norm

(Enjoying the Obsession)

[DeWayne]

Hi Norm, I dive 85's with OMS bands and they have proven to be plenty for these small cylinders. HM bands are far superior IMHO, but not really necessary. As for the webbing, just burn a hole through so as to stop any unrevelling that may want to start; a soldering iron works great for that. You don't really need the grommet, but it will add to the life of the webbing and look nice. I have some half inch SS and brass grommets here and could pop one in for you when I come down in a couple of weeks if you want.

[normblitch]

Doc Dee,

Thanks!

I'll take you up on the offer...do you have the dies/bucks for the grommets?

Norm
(meet you by the Smoking Tree)



Hi Norm, I dive 85's with OMS bands and they have proven to be plenty for these small cylinders. HM bands are far superior IMHO, but not really necessary. As for the webbing, just burn a hole through so as to stop any unrevelling that may want to start; a soldering iron works great for that. You don't really need the grommet, but it will add to the life of the webbing and look nice. I have some half inch SS and brass grommets here and could pop one in for you when I come down in a couple of weeks if you want.

[DeWayne]

Yep, got everything we need to do the job Norm: hole punch, dies, and the two types of grommets. I will be down the weekend of the 12th for the NACD seminar (helping with the CDF booth.) I will be sure to pack everything and we will ger er done 8) Oh, we will need a hammer, probably easier to find one there than to pack one down. I am making plans to stay with Dwain and Dee in HS for the weekend, so should hit town late Friday afternoon and hopefully be there through Monday morning (longer I hope) so lets plan for a dive or two 8)

[ARY]

Doesn’t the D-ring at the bottom of the dubs pose a line-trap??
Finally, is there any difference between OMS shoulder pads and the ones from DR??

Try something like this Norm: http://poxe.ru/img1/0601014.jpg Those are DIR styled. I saw nice and soft velvet shoulder pads in Walmart, with lizzards, for $5 each. They look pretty and priced better than OMS :-)

Anywhere where you can swim in doubles... those D-s IMHO will not put you in worse danger of entanglement.

[DeWayne]

Doesn’t the D-ring at the bottom of the dubs pose a line-trap??
Finally, is there any difference between OMS shoulder pads and the ones from DR??

Try something like this Norm: http://poxe.ru/img1/0601014.jpg Those are DIR styled. I saw nice and soft velvet shoulder pads in Walmart, with lizzards, for $5 each. They look pretty and priced better than OMS :-)

Anywhere where you can swim in doubles... those D-s IMHO will not put you in worse danger of entanglement.

Hehe, I need me a setup like that 8)

Norm, I tried the D-ring on the tank early on and found it to be a useless hazard. I prefer just using the D's on the webbing (waist and crotch strap.) As for the pads, another item not really needed. I tried a set of the OMS and they just did not seem that beneficial to me. They only really come into use when you are walking to and from the water; in water they do very little but add clutter. I do use the neoprene pad that came with my DR crotch strap as it does protect the dry suit some when scootering. Keep things simple and you will be a lot happier with your setup.

[normblitch]

Well Lizards ARE sort of like G A T O R S..... :lol:

The pic puts a new spin on Back Gas...

Norm



Doesn’t the D-ring at the bottom of the dubs pose a line-trap??
Finally, is there any difference between OMS shoulder pads and the ones from DR??

Try something like this Norm: http://poxe.ru/img1/0601014.jpg Those are DIR styled. I saw nice and soft velvet shoulder pads in Walmart, with lizzards, for $5 each. They look pretty and priced better than OMS :-)

Anywhere where you can swim in doubles... those D-s IMHO will not put you in worse danger of entanglement.

[normblitch]

Yesterday, I was dinking about with my bp/harness, changing the DR D's over to the meaty, beefy,& juicy HM biggun's...I had to trim the DR shoulder pad to allow for the larger base of the HM...ended up with a tasty short hank of neoprene that I'm gonna use as a hold-down in lieu of my bicycle inner-tube bits...

nhb





Doesn’t the D-ring at the bottom of the dubs pose a line-trap??
Finally, is there any difference between OMS shoulder pads and the ones from DR??

Try something like this Norm: http://poxe.ru/img1/0601014.jpg Those are DIR styled. I saw nice and soft velvet shoulder pads in Walmart, with lizzards, for $5 each. They look pretty and priced better than OMS :-)

Anywhere where you can swim in doubles... those D-s IMHO will not put you in worse danger of entanglement.

Hehe, I need me a setup like that 8)

Norm, I tried the D-ring on the tank early on and found it to be a useless hazard. I prefer just using the D's on the webbing (waist and crotch strap.) As for the pads, another item not really needed. I tried a set of the OMS and they just did not seem that beneficial to me. They only really come into use when you are walking to and from the water; in water they do very little but add clutter. I do use the neoprene pad that came with my DR crotch strap as it does protect the dry suit some when scootering. Keep things simple and you will be a lot happier with your setup.

Norm, I tried the D-ring on the tank early on and found it to be a useless hazard. I prefer just using the D's on the webbing (waist and crotch strap.)

DeWayne, some of us that aren't big fat swahesians don't have all that extra waist and chest room to hang various paraphanalia. D-rings on the cylinders are a great place for reels and backup lights. Over 400 cave dives with no problems...

Russell

I just noticed the juxtaposition of my signature line. DeWayne, that is in no way directed at you.

[normblitch]

Thanks to ALL for the kind comments...

I wasn't so much wanting to HANG gear there, but (as advised by LakeCity Tom) use them for aids in muscling the dubs around...

Norm




Norm, I tried the D-ring on the tank early on and found it to be a useless hazard. I prefer just using the D's on the webbing (waist and crotch strap.)

DeWayne, some of us that aren't big fat swahesians don't have all that extra waist and chest room to hang various paraphanalia. D-rings on the cylinders are a great place for reels and backup lights. Over 400 cave dives with no problems...

Russell

[DeWayne]

I just noticed the juxtaposition of my signature line. DeWayne, that is in no way directed at you.

No offense taken Russell, just be careful next time you turn your back if my cane is handy :roll:

Plus, I will have you know that I have shed 45 pounds this past year :lol:

I just don't carry enough accessories with me to make the tank D's all that useful, but then again I do go against the DIR grain and have a D on my right waist. I also found the D hanging from the rear of my crotch strap to be more useful than having one on my tanks. I can see where Norm's use to help muscle the tanks around might be useful for heavier tanks, but then again I have never had that much of a problem with my 85's just using the valve assemblies. I have always been of the mind that if it works for you then use regardless of what others may say about it.

Any chance you can make it to JB on Thursday (10th) or Friday (11th) morning? I am making plans to frive down next Wednesday and spending some time on the Mill Pond. I have Edd's boat lined up for all day Thursday and Friday morning if you can join us (I have a cave diver form Cincinnati driving down with me and this will be his first trip to the pond.) Hope to see you if you can make it.

[normblitch]

Doc Dee,

Suitable Maul of Death now placed in toolbox...will bring a 2x4 scrap for backing....

Got a "box of Toys" from Mark at FE Friday...now lovingly building up the ally bp....went to the Temple of Tim Allen today for a crack pipe...(OOPS! Mini-torch)...fortunately I have a middlin' collection of 2" web scraps. What final diameter am I shooting/burning for?

http://www.pbase.com/eanx/image/51821911

:roll:

Norm


Yep, got everything we need to do the job Norm: hole punch, dies, and the two types of grommets. I will be down the weekend of the 12th for the NACD seminar (helping with the CDF booth.) I will be sure to pack everything and we will ger er done 8) Oh, we will need a hammer, probably easier to find one there than to pack one down. I am making plans to stay with Dwain and Dee in HS for the weekend, so should hit town late Friday afternoon and hopefully be there through Monday morning (longer I hope) so lets plan for a dive or two 8)

[DeWayne]

Doc Dee,

Suitable Maul of Death now placed in toolbox...will bring a 2x4 scrap for backing....

Got a "box of Toys" from Mark at FE Friday...now lovingly building up the ally bp....went to the Temple of Tim Allen today for a crack pipe...(OOPS! Mini-torch)...fortunately I have a middlin' collection of 2" web scraps. What final diameter am I shooting/burning for?

http://www.pbase.com/eanx/image/51821911

:roll:

Norm


Yep, got everything we need to do the job Norm: hole punch, dies, and the two types of grommets. I will be down the weekend of the 12th for the NACD seminar (helping with the CDF booth.) I will be sure to pack everything and we will ger er done 8) Oh, we will need a hammer, probably easier to find one there than to pack one down. I am making plans to stay with Dwain and Dee in HS for the weekend, so should hit town late Friday afternoon and hopefully be there through Monday morning (longer I hope) so lets plan for a dive or two 8)

Hey Norm, I would make it just large enough for the bolt to slide through. Then if need be, it can still be enlarged with the punch for the grommett to fit perfectly. The grommetts are number 4's which equate to about a half inch diameter.

[normblitch]

Great...Thanks!

Norm



Doc Dee,

Suitable Maul of Death now placed in toolbox...will bring a 2x4 scrap for backing....

Got a "box of Toys" from Mark at FE Friday...now lovingly building up the ally bp....went to the Temple of Tim Allen today for a crack pipe...(OOPS! Mini-torch)...fortunately I have a middlin' collection of 2" web scraps. What final diameter am I shooting/burning for?

http://www.pbase.com/eanx/image/51821911

:roll:

Norm


Yep, got everything we need to do the job Norm: hole punch, dies, and the two types of grommets. I will be down the weekend of the 12th for the NACD seminar (helping with the CDF booth.) I will be sure to pack everything and we will ger er done 8) Oh, we will need a hammer, probably easier to find one there than to pack one down. I am making plans to stay with Dwain and Dee in HS for the weekend, so should hit town late Friday afternoon and hopefully be there through Monday morning (longer I hope) so lets plan for a dive or two 8)

Hey Norm, I would make it just large enough for the bolt to slide through. Then if need be, it can still be enlarged with the punch for the grommett to fit perfectly. The grommetts are number 4's which equate to about a half inch diameter.

[DeWayne]

No problem Norm, I will look forward to seeing you again next weekend. We should be in HS by 5pm Friday; I will PM you my cell number.

[normblitch]

No problem Norm, I will look forward to seeing you again next weekend. We should be in HS by 5pm Friday; I will PM you my cell number.

Cool beans...

I'm rollin' into Hogtowne about 1400 Fri, planning on GS at 1730...

nhb

[jammer]

Norm, I tried the D-ring on the tank early on and found it to be a useless hazard. I prefer just using the D's on the webbing (waist and crotch strap.)

DeWayne, some of us that aren't big fat swahesians don't have all that extra waist and chest room to hang various paraphanalia. D-rings on the cylinders are a great place for reels and backup lights. Over 400 cave dives with no problems...

Russell


Hey now I resemble that remark