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10-11-2011, 07:52 AM
Steve from Kentucky pm'd and we arranged a dive for today, monday. I was out checking conditions a few days ago and the water looked clear. Today the basin was as clear as I've ever seen it. We were two happy divers gearing up, talking about the last time we'd been diving in guy-james, how the rains had kept us out. We each took a stage, thinking with the viz so excellent we'd want a nice long dive.

As we discussed the dive plan in the water and compared psi/cf, we didn't really see the need for a line. we could easily swim to where the mainline began. I decided we best go ahead and run a line from open water; you can never tell what might happen.

As we went the viz was amazing, best I've ever seen, but then it just went down to almost nothing. The stop sign was blown over and out of position and there was no line attached to it (as best I could make out in such poor viz). A concrete block was tied to the stop sign with the line tied to the block and there was no block! I searched for it and couldn't find it, called the dive, and we returned to the stop sign, where I "uncalled" the dive and searched off the other side and found the block and tied in. Returning to pick up steve at the stop sign I signalled that we were good to go, guideline in place.

The viz slowy got worse. Down to a foot or less. Everything was covered in deep fine silt and with the line on the floor you couldn't follow it without silting out the cave. But this cave is often poor viz the first few hundred feet and then clears up real nice, so we kept going. Then the mainline became totally slack and I pulled in 10 feet of loose line. It tightened up a bit so I went on and fount the T that marked the super-silty side passage. I went on up the hill where all the stakes holding the line were gone (all but one). Then just ahead the viz broke wide open and I could see again! 10-15 feet of clear water!

But where was steve? I cupped my light, but he was nowhere to be found. I turned to go back along the line, back into that muck of no viz. The line was totally slack and like wet spaghetti it looped and twisted every which way. I had to follow it slow and careful using both hands. Then I bumped into Steve! The viz was so bad that the only way to see your buddy's light was if it was pointed directly at you from a foot away. He had lost the line and was waiting patiently for my return. I placed the line in his hand, and placed my thumbs up in his hand too.

We headed out, back through the no-viz muck that was now even worse than on the journey in. I had the line in my hands, but I couldn't see it at all. Then the bottom sloped up, and up, and we were in clear water! We'd gone the wrong way and was headed into the cave, not out! It's real easy to get turned around on a slack line in no viz. We enjoyed the view for a few minutes. I had almost decided to just go and do the dive, but then the thought of getting out from 500 feet in through slack line and no viz convinced me we best use all our gas to get out, and no more going further in. Steve agreed.

Steve led us out and when we got back to the T (which we couldn't see at all), he got all wrapped up in the white line (the T line). I kept pushing him forward, but he refused to budge. Finally it occurred to me that he must be hung up so I began feeling all over his body and sure enough line was tight and wrapped up in his tanks. It didn't take long to cut him free and he was gone. I swam on along the line hoping he was in front of me, but then thought maybe he wasn't. Maybe he swam back into the cave in the post-entanglement cluster f**k. I turned and went back. back to where the T used to be, back to the hill, but no steve there. Surely he would have waited on me in the clear viz at the top of the hill or turned to come out.

I lost my buddy. What would I tell his wife? Who would I call to come help with a body recovery? Why didn't we call the dive when we found the viz so bad? Or when the mainline was found to be so slack?

I turned and decided I had no choice but to swim back along the line searching for him. I swam and swam, cupping my light every few fin kicks and looking around, peering through the intense dark. If I turned my head just so I could see a faint glow from behind me, but it always seemed behind me, even when I turned 180... my back up light was on! Dang. well, best to keep it on in this viz, it may offer steve some chance of finding me if he comes up behind me.

On I swim and then I get kicked in the head with a fin! Steve! He's been slowly following the line out this whole time. I sigh relief. We are on the mainline. We are going out and for the first time in a very long time I think we might make it out ok.

And we did.

In retrospect, we should have called the dive when the viz went to a couple of feet. But this cave is noted for clearing up further in. Then our second wrong decision was continuing on with the totally slack line that could not be ok'd, but had to be pulled through one hand with the other with zero viz (by feel only). That's where steve lost the line. The line in this cave is right along the floor and with it spread out like spaghetti it was on and under the silt, which only made matters worse. A traditional lost line search was problematic with the line buried in the silt like that. However it was already zero viz, so planting something (spare mask? wetnotes?) into the silt and tying a safety line might have worked, although for sure it would make silting worse.

It was most amazing that cave lights (10w HID) were invisible unless pointed direcly into your eyes from a couple of feet away. With loose line and a T where a knotted survey was attached going into a super silty mud tunnel it was inevitable that one or both of us would get entangled in it, but it still took several minutes before we realized that was the problem.

In light of the recent discussion of goals and objectives, I suspect that our "goal" of reaching the clear zone may have clouded our judgement on calling the dive. I definetly thought about calling the dive when I saw just how poor the viz was. Given the super-clear basin, it was very unexpected to find such poor viz although we knew the viz in the early part is always worse than the later part. Then by the time we'd resolved lost line in silt-out and were in the clear zone, it was obvious we would have to negotiate the silt out and loose line area again to go home. So the good call was to end the dive right then, while we still had plenty of gas to manage whatever other problems we might encounter in that sightless zone. Good thing too, cause that's when we got entangled!


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Jax
10-11-2011, 09:09 AM
Newb question - what caused the slack and what caused the move of the concrete block?

Dominic
10-11-2011, 09:15 AM
Thanks for posting. I always learn something from reading these reports.

FW
10-11-2011, 10:00 AM
Newb question - what caused the slack and what caused the move of the concrete block?
Not noob at all. Tennessee has a lot more variation than Florida. Rather than having about the same flow all year round, like FL, TN varies from almost no flow, to something approaching a fire hydrant. The burst of high current moved the sign, concrete block, and dislodged the line. They were lucky the line was still intact. I have seen other caves up there that only have scraps of lines after a big flood.

skip
10-11-2011, 10:39 AM
Yes, what Forrest said. When I found the loose line looping all over the place, I was just sure that I'd follow it along and come up with broken end. It wasn't broken as it turned out, but that's what I expected from past experience. This mainline however is goldline (just like in florida). we pulled the survey line from the front part of the cave and replaced it with goldline, leaving in some survey line (the T) and further in (which we didn't get to, so don't know what shape it's in).

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reiterman
10-11-2011, 04:23 PM
Glad all are safe. It is incidents like this that we can all learn from. Thanks for posting.

David

NikoSuave
10-11-2011, 08:05 PM
I'm also glad to hear you exited the dive safely. Remaining calm (not panicking) and relying on your training and experience are the primary reasons for your safe exit. Sounds like a little bit of luck was on your side too considering the extremely slack guideline was still attached to something. Thanks for sharing your story.

BB1
10-12-2011, 01:17 AM
OK another noob question:

During our training we regularly found that the line had gone slack (I blame our Big blue cave monster/Instructor) and we were taught that you stop and fix the problem right there and then and do not progress until it is fixed.

After finding the slack on the way in you mention " turned to go back along the line, back into that muck of no viz. The line was totally slack and like wet spaghetti it looped and twisted every which way. I had to follow it slow and careful using both hands."

Did you take up the slack on the way in and secure it and if so why did it go slack again?

Not pointing fingers, just trying to understand and really glad you both came out ok! :)

FW
10-12-2011, 04:55 AM
...Did you take up the slack on the way in and secure it and if so why did it go slack again?...
While fixing a slack line in clear water is fairly easy, it is much harder in low viz. There is a big danger of pulling the line into a line trap.

The bigger issue is not knowing if the line is just slack, or broken. If it is broken, and you pull up the slack, you will loose what little information there is to be had about where the cave goes.

The only thing I might have done different would be to exit, and discuss a plan with a buddy that I never dived with before. Especially one that never encountered slack line in low viz.

DA Aquamaster
10-12-2011, 07:50 AM
As Forrest notes, the context of the situation is important. Replacing/fixing a loose tie off on gold line or well maintained white line in a frequently traveled tunnel is different than encountering an old loose line along several hundred feet of less traveled and less well known to you cave.

It's common to ecnounter line in less frequented passages where the line is very old and slack due to age. There are definite downsides in attempting to fix loose line, when it's pretty much all loose - and old to boot. I have also encountered slack line in areas where the rock was very soft and fragile and would not support a tight line. In that case, tightening the line would just promote damage to the cave and result in more loose line, silt-out's, etc as successive tie offs fail.

It's one of the differences I think between "training" and what you can encounter in the real world, and one of the many reasons why cave diving is a life long learning process.

Dominic
10-12-2011, 08:18 AM
cave diving is a life long learning process.

Amen

FW
10-12-2011, 08:32 AM
Skip,

I re-read your whole report, and I think when you redo the line, adding a few arrows would prevent getting turned around like you did after you found Steve.

skip
10-12-2011, 09:07 AM
Yes, we have arrows every 100 feet through that section (I've been using a tape measure and marked line arrows). But I noticed that only two arrows were still on the line in a 500 foot run. So line arrows get blown off too I guess. I'm thinking every 50 feet would be better in that section, just for the relief factor. There is a line arrow at the old femur bone (300 feet) and whenever I see that I know we are home soon.

There was a line arrow right where we were, but it was so wrapped up in line there was no way to untangle the mess and figure which way it pointed! We didn't take time to figure the direction cause I knew it was a short distance to the top of the hill where viz clears to better than 10 feet. With two in touch contact and a 50/50 chance, it seemed best to just move along. We had plenty of gas, so running out was never a concern. I thought if we were going further in, we'd know in a couple of minutes and it sure will be good to get up off the floor in clear water to regroup, make eye contact, check spgs, and generally relax for a bit. And even at that point I was still thinking once we get up the hill into clear water, we may want to continue on and get in some good clear water diving! It was nice to get to that clear water, verify that it does clear at that point, and it was real nice to see steve's eyes. it was a great comfort to me to see his calm clear expression, concerned, but in control.

I did try to get steve to go all the up with me to the ceiling (where the big air pocket is) thinking it would be nice to float on inflated wing and talk a bit. He wasn't leaving the line now that he'd found it again! I know the line goes up along the wall at that point, well above the floor, and can be seen looking down from above. but steve didn't know that, so I gave a thumb up and pointed back into the muck and back we went.

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FW
10-12-2011, 09:29 AM
.... But I noticed that only two arrows were still on the line in a 500 foot run. So line arrows get blown off too I guess....
Yes, it is hard to get a good wrap with thick goldline. Maybe small tie-wraps?

Shocky
10-12-2011, 06:54 PM
I'll say it again for the newb, there are old cave divers and there are bold cave divers, but there are not many old, bold, cave divers! For what it is worth.

nefiii
10-13-2011, 09:47 AM
Thanks for sharing.

rchrds
10-14-2011, 01:50 PM
Skipper- so the gist of this is that the anchors on the main line in the front of the cave are all moved, and the T into the nasty passage is laying out in the main passage? Bla. At least that part is already surveyed, or are you saying that the line further up from the cave is all blown out to the front of the cave?

skip
10-14-2011, 04:45 PM
There is a small section, 25 feet, of already surveyed cave in which the goldline has blown loose from the silt stakes. the silt stakes are gone, missing, not to be found. the goldline that was tied to them is now just so much loose line. Where the T to the mud tunnel was tied in to the goldline is now cut and laying loose as well. The line from the front of the cave to about 400 feet in is intact and fine. From 400-500 feet is the problem area more or less, but I really think it's the part just a few feet before the T and up the hill that's the loose problem. The goldline is tied into the rock wall about half-way up the hill (500 feet in or so). and it is fine across the top of the hill and partway down the other side. But what happens after that, I have no idea. Didn't make it that far. In other words, the only part I can say the line is loose is the already surveyed part. What we might find beyond that is anybody's guess. I'll try to get back in there this weekend and let you know.

Anyone want join me to check it out? I know it sounds bad (and it is), but once you get past the loose line and up over the hill, viz is like 10-15 feet, or was before the bit of rain we've been having.

by the way, where are you? what have you been up to? let us know!

skipper? no one's called me that since grade school! except for that one time, after the bar closed, and she whooped and hollered as she stripped on the bed.... turned out she had a sailor fetish.... well, you take advantage whenever you can. what can I say?


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