Nomad JT ?? [Archive] - Cave Diver's Forum

Skorpiov

03-30-2011, 02:57 PM

For those that didnt get the email...

COMING SOON... Nomad JT Sidemount Rig

For purists and hard core sidemount explorers, the Nomad JT is the rig you want to wear. A 360-degree wing gives added lift at the diver's hips/rear which is important for explorers carrying big, heavy steel cylinders. The tank bungees no longer restrict the wing and are attached from the mid-point of the soft backplate on the wing's front side. Extra loops give flexibility for a tighter bungee fit, if desired. Gone are the quick release buckles on the harness - only a continuous webbing harness on the Nomad JT, however the harness is still easily adjustable...

More details coming soon. Look for the Nomad JT next month...

adam0321

03-30-2011, 03:53 PM

I can already see these popping up around JB

mdax

03-30-2011, 04:18 PM

Dive Rite would do well to pre release photos and videos of the Nomad JT.
Seems odd that really cool new things wouldn't be preceded by lots of marketing, leveraging the heck out of the web, dive industry is weird this way.

adam0321

03-30-2011, 04:54 PM

I am surprised they have not tried to copy the razor yet...

Benderr

03-30-2011, 05:03 PM

sounds like they are trying to make it dir compatible by ditching the plastic and the bungees on the outside of the wing. dir aside, the bungee placement sounds like a solid improvement. would like to see further improvement in the inflator routing and dump valve

03-30-2011, 07:34 PM

Other than the wing, sounds similar to my modified Nomad.

icestac

03-30-2011, 07:53 PM

I just want the wing because my initials are JT :-)

sskasser

03-31-2011, 07:54 AM

I just want the wing because my initials are JT :-)

I'm certain that's why they named it that! :D

BB1

03-31-2011, 08:20 AM

I'm just about to drop $$'s on an armadillo because I dont like the DR nomad with its plastic buckles and foam padding I don't need amongst other things.

Would I be better off waiting to see this??

DeepSea

03-31-2011, 08:20 AM

I am surprised they have not tried to copy the razor yet...

The razor has applications but it is not a "be all end all". The "improvements" (single webbing, bottle restraints under the wing, etc) point it more toward the Armadillo.

DeepSea

03-31-2011, 08:21 AM

I'm just about to drop $$'s on an armadillo because I dont like the DR nomad with its plastic buckles and foam padding I don't need amongst other things.

Would I be better off waiting to see this??

IMO, if you dive sidemount caves you are better off with the Armadillo. If you are just wanting to sidemount your bottles it really doesn't matter what rig you get.

loquat149

03-31-2011, 08:45 AM

I just want the wing because my initials are JT :-)

The Nomad JT is named after its designer, James Toland.

Dave

icestac

03-31-2011, 08:53 AM

The Nomad JT is named after its designer, James Toland.

Perhaps ;)

But to those who do not know him, it can be a custom wing for me! :)

Cheers,
Jeff

loquat149

03-31-2011, 08:58 AM

Funny, I was thinking it was the Jarrod/Trey sidemount rig when I first heard...

DA Aquamaster

03-31-2011, 11:11 AM

I'm just about to drop $$'s on an armadillo because I dont like the DR nomad with its plastic buckles and foam padding I don't need amongst other things.

Would I be better off waiting to see this??I agree the padding is not needed unless you are backmounting wtih a nomad and stripping it out is the way to go and is pretty common. IF DR sold it sans padding for a bit less money and then made the padding an option they'd probably sell more Nomads.

It depends on the diving you are douing but the Armadillo is considered to be better for snug, more purist sidemount caves, while the larger wing and greater lift of the Nomad make it a bit more flexible in terms of stage and deco bottle hauling ability - but make it a bit bulkier and less than optimum for really tight caves.

RAL

03-31-2011, 12:24 PM

IMO, if you dive sidemount caves you are better off with the Armadillo. If you are just wanting to sidemount your bottles it really doesn't matter what rig you get.

Does the Armadillo come in different sizes now? When I looked at them it was a onesizefitsall. And it did.......... as long as you were big.
Hollis has a rig that is worth considering too.

RAL

loquat149

03-31-2011, 12:43 PM

DeepSea

03-31-2011, 02:55 PM

Does the Armadillo come in different sizes now? When I looked at them it was a onesizefitsall. And it did.......... as long as you were big.
Hollis has a rig that is worth considering too.
RAL

I'm 5'8" and have never had an issue with the original. However, the new version does allow you to move the butt plate up or down. I have also seen people remove the butt plate and install a crotch strap with 2 1" pieces of webbing.

To me it seems there are basically 3 rig styles out there:
The Razor, The Armadillo and everything else (OxyCheq, Hollis, OMS, Dive Rite -- they all are basically the same to me).

Like I said before, it you are simply wanting to side mount your tanks, get anything...If you are going to dive in side mount caves, you will serve yourself best by something designed for it (IMO).

03-31-2011, 08:14 PM

I don' know if that's true. I've gotten into some really tight passage in my Nomad. But it's also not a stock Nomad. I've made a few modifications to it.

mdax

04-01-2011, 10:53 AM

Misinformation regarding the purpose for the nomads design was posted on an earlier thread, which included a response from the designer...Seems odd to keep parroting that statement unless your goal is to stir up drama.

"Apparently you both missed my point. I (read the designer) designed it to be a single purpose unit FOR SIDEMOUNT. That is why the wing is under the harness and tied down at the waist.

Everything else came later" means that after introduction buyers started experimenting and finding that it worked for other uses.

It went up to sixty pounds because there are MANY people still diving wetsuits, the most vocal request came from an instructor diving in the carribean doing deep dives in shorts and a T-shirt. No doubles available.

I dive side-mount in sidemount caves (not ginnie) all the time and I don't always dive a drysuit like the people saying 50 or 60 is too much.

Jerry "

link to thread http://www.cavediver.net/forum/showthread.php/8850-Sidemount-question?highlight=nomad+designed+side+mount

04-04-2011, 07:13 AM

I saw the prototype JT a couple of weeks ago. I think it is worth waiting to see, and it may give the Armadillo a run for its money :-)

deepdiverbob

04-04-2011, 07:23 AM

Capt. Tyler

04-04-2011, 11:01 AM

I just hope we see it soon, I love dive rite and there service but im just tired of waiting for there stuff. Been waiting on the release of the Nitek Q for ever and ended up going with something else. I hope this wont be the case with the JT.

What i would love to see is a wing in the 35-40lb range. No pads or cumberbund, with a 1 piece harness...

Capt. Tyler

04-04-2011, 11:56 AM

Just got off the phone with DR. Looks like the wing will be in the 50lb range and the harness will not be a Hogarthian style one piece webbing. He did say though that there will be no quick releases like the transpac.

Another interesting note is that the system will only be compatible for Sidemount.

Release date is in the 30-45 day range.

sskasser

04-05-2011, 07:51 AM

I saw the prototype JT a couple of weeks ago. I think it is worth waiting to see, and it may give the Armadillo a run for its money :-)

Me too, quite impressive! I tried to distract him so it could disappear into my trunk, but no such luck :D

saxplayer1004

04-05-2011, 08:23 AM

may be like the deluxe harness without the quick releases. I know lamar is a huge proponent of chest straps, especially with sidemount, and I agree with him...
http://www.diverite.com/products/catalog/backplatesandharnesses/bc1080
still get the versatility of the nomads harness but without the QR's and side plates.

Capt. Tyler

04-05-2011, 08:46 AM

I just cant believe there are no pictures of this thing in the wild!

DeepSea

04-05-2011, 09:48 AM

I just cant believe there are no pictures of this thing in the wild!

The Yeti's are testing it...we all know how hard it is to photagraph those!

Capt. Tyler

04-21-2011, 12:44 PM

Think we will ever see the JT? Pics were supposed to be released two weeks ago...

How bout the Nitek Q?

diveconjeff

04-21-2011, 01:44 PM

Think we will ever see the JT? Pics were supposed to be released two weeks ago...

How bout the Nitek Q?

Kind of had the questions in mind when I did the survey.

"And the survey SAYS ?!?!? (Richard Dawson)

Capt. Tyler

04-21-2011, 02:58 PM

I was thinking the same thing when i did mine, and even wrote it down in a couple of places! I would rather them not even tell me about it till its ready to come out.

phillip1

04-24-2011, 07:39 AM

Still no news? I am very curious to see what DR came up with given all the recent SM trends maybe this harness will be really cool

OneBrightGator

04-24-2011, 09:27 PM

Lamar said he was playing with it at Devil's yesterday and pictures would be out soon.

Capt. Tyler

04-25-2011, 01:09 PM

The emails out! Over all the unit looks pretty solid.

Its interesting what they did with the bungies being attatched to the wing, i wonder what this will do to tank position when you inflate the wing ??

Cant wait to try one once i get over the 700 msrp shock!

phillip1

04-25-2011, 08:47 PM

Just got the email, to be honest it does not look like anything new, really looks like a Nomad but with still way too much useless stuff, shoulder pads, too many drings, the same Nomad chest strap shoulder strap connection, a complicated bungee wing loop system, three dump valves etc.
Now although I have not physically seen the harness it would appear to from the photo that the Armadillo is still a better design and would appear be a more solid streamlined rig.

Again I have not seen it in person so I may be wrong but I don't think so.

MICHAL

05-02-2011, 07:12 AM

Nomad JT = info + picture
http://www.divegearexpress.com/bcs/nomad.shtml

sontek

05-02-2011, 09:33 AM

I think the JT is a pretty good system... I dove the prototype on the 23rd/24th and I liked it! The adjustable bungees was a nice addition to make the rig fit perfectly. 3 Dump valves is a lot but it does make it so that you'll have a valve no matter the situation (tight squeezes, lots of tanks, etc). Moving the inflator house and flipping it upside down is much nicer and how most people modify the XT already.

Some people might not be a fan of the chest strap but it does pull it in just a little tighter, which is what you want when sidemounting.

Here are 2 pics of it on dive rite's facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/fbx/?set=a.10150169775613399.323268.180101688398

phillip1

05-02-2011, 10:43 AM

Not to seem annoying but to me it looks bulky and not streamlined at all and also less modifiable than an old Nomad (which was not bad) since it has the wing sewn in like the EXP. I still think the Armadillo is more streamlined and a more "sidemount" specific harness.
I really do not see any reason to have 3 dump valves or a chest strap this is just adding more "stuff" and making the whole thing bulky and less streamlined, adjustable bungees IMHO are totally useless why not take the time to adjust the bungees and set it up how it works for you instead of adding extra useless features?

This is just my opinion of the JT, I was expecting something truly streamlined and innovative from DR but it is just another Nomad really.

In all fairness though I have not physically seen one so I may be wrong but having extensive experience with the Nomad the JT looks pretty much the same.

I also think that the off the rack JT would be infinitely better than diving BM,..hehehehe and I would take it over any set of double any day.

nielsent

05-02-2011, 12:11 PM

One thing that I immediately noticed in comparison to the nomad or dillo is that there is not really any place to put a lot of weight... Where does this leave people who sidemount in Cold water and need the weight?

icestac

05-02-2011, 01:28 PM

phillip1

05-02-2011, 01:41 PM

yeah warm caves..lol but you can put weight wherever you want really, I used to have 2 3lbs on the shoulders straps of both the Nomad and latter the Dillo, if need be you can put weights on the belt too, there is really no rule as to were to place weights, however the worse place is on the back (i got stuck at Palomita last week as I had weight on my back to counter the weight of the video light canisters).
However this is only in super tight caves, other than that situation the back is fine too, in fact in SM there are more places to add weight than in BM really.