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deanme
11-16-2009, 02:17 PM
Cave diving in Tulum Mexico is a wonderful experience. The Cenotes are a world treasure.

I stayed 8 fun filled days in Tulum Mexico, sleeping at the new and wonderful Xibalba Dive Center and Hotel, owned and managed by Robbie and Aneke.

www.xibalbadivecenter.com

The Xibalba hotel is very special, with luxurious amenities and quiet rooms, just one block off the main street in the heart of Tulum. Robbie provides tank fills on site and has his own compressor, blending custom nitrox fills. Cave diving classes are offered on site and advice on local Cenotes is excellent. A light breakfast is offered every morning, and a night watchman provides security for any parked cars. Divers are offered a place to store dive equipment. And most important, just a short walk three blocks south is Café Don Cafeto.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v51YuhCxiTI&NR=1

Life in Tulum revolves around this local restaurant. The coffee is outstanding, and the food always plentiful and excellent. Be sure and bring a big appetite. Across the street from Café Don Cafeto is one of the cab union shops, which provides for wonderful entertainment. While I was visiting Mexico, the very powerful cab union is attempting to elect a new leader, and some members are even picketing on a hunger strike. I observed several covert trips to Don Cafeto from those on the hunger strike, to which I silently thought, “so Mexico!!”.

While in Tulum, I dove the following Cenotes:

Two dives in Taj Mahal, upstream and downstream
Grand Cenote
Kolimba
Jail House
Dos Pisos
Pet Cemetery and the Blue Abyss
NoHoch
The Pit

I wanted to keep to the major Cenotes as all dives except The Pit were solo. Next trip I will get a bit more adventurous, and try some of the lesser dove Cenotes. I dove 32 to 36 percent O2 on most dives, which lasted from 1:30 to 2 hours, with one dive, Jail House, lasting only 55 minutes. I got spooked by the entrance to Jail House, which is very silty, and called the dive early. Next trip I may opt for saving some money and dive nitrox at Pet Cemetery and the Pit only. I took a stage on every dive, and 4 tanks at the Pit. All dives were side-mount. I used the stage for both extending my dive time as well as equipment backup. I have practiced switching a first stage between tanks while underwater, and felt comfortable with 3 sets of first and second stages in the water. I also dove with an extra mask and 4 lights.

Except for Pet Cemetery, where I watched two divers run a reel from the cavern line to the main line, I saw no other divers in the caves once I got beyond the cavern zone, except for one diver in the downstream (or is it upstream (non-Chinese-Gardens-dive to the right)) at Taj Mahal. I dive early, so that could contribute to my luck of having the caves to myself.

It rained a lot the first evening, Saturday November 7th, due to Hurricane Ira, but had wonderful weather for the rest of the week, with blue skies and scattered showers. This is the wet season, so the misquotes, although not bad in town, got pesky in the outskirts, and were downright rude at some of the Cenotes. To protect myself, I put on my wetsuit at the hotel before making the drive to the dive spots, with the only exception being The Pit and Pet Cemetery. I also sprayed on some bug spray I picked up at the local grocery store, San Francisco, and applied cautiously. The temperature was stunningly perfect, with a bit of chill in the air by sunrise.

The entrance to Chen Hol is a lot bigger, lowering stress of entry and exit. I decided not to rely on local arrows, and since I was diving solo and unfamiliar with the local navigation of the caves, I put in a directional arrow every 5 minutes or so, with multiple arrows at T’s and jumps, or at any confusing part of the cave. All arrows were clearly marked with my name and a number and removed upon exiting. Cookies were placed every 15 minutes. I placed main line entry reels and jumps everywhere, but for the most part limited my jumps and stayed on the “main line”. I figured even if I didn’t find my target destination, I would easily find my origin. All this navigation is in stark contrast to my diving in the Florida caves, where I place almost no main reels, arrows, cookies, or jumps, unless the jump is in a possible silting area (please refrain from any criticism on this public admission because really don’t want to hear it).

Some comments for those who might benefit from my experimentation with weights and diving side-mount. Next trip I’m going to try to hang a one or two lb weight off my right shoulder clip to balance the stage, and then clip off this weight when I clip off the stage on the line. I don’t seem to have this balancing problem when diving in Florida, where I dive with steel tanks. I guess the smaller aluminum tanks are more weight sensitive, and I rotated a bit to the left when carrying the stage. I attached a two pound weight on the bottom of the cam band to keep the tank from rising. I also took Robbie’s advice and put the cam band low on the tank, which helped to keep the butt end of the tank from rising as well. My wetsuit is 9 mil (or 3/8’s inch), and is very buoyant, so I like to dive with a two pound weight attached where my shoulder straps attach to my harness. I dive with these shoulder straps in Florida as well, so the only additional weight I used for the shallow Mexico caves with aluminum tanks are the two pound weights attached to the cam bands.

Diving the Pit was just spectacular. I entered with 4 tanks and dove for 1:55 hours. After slowly descending in the voluminous cavern area (see picture in link below), and being swallowed by the cloud of acid (forget which kind of acid) at 90 feet, Luis, my guide, shared with me some spots with human remains at 140 feet. I felt like such a big boy when Luis showed me the beginning of the gap line at 150 feet that descends into the lower part of the Pit. The gap line starts at 150 feet, and is designed to keep cavern divers and cave divers like myself from following the line deep into the bowls of the cave. I hovered at the beginning of this line and gazed down into the darkness for a few minutes, trying to imagine the sights to be seen, the risks involved, the planning to be made, the logistics to be overcome, and the hours of decompression time required after ascending up this line on a 300 foot plus dive. I guess everything is relative, and what I consider to be advanced is child’s play for those that actually use that line and descend into the depths of the Pit. At the end of the dive, after penetrating two side tunnels, I poked my head into the environment chamber at 30 feet, which has room for two divers, and again tried to live vicariously by imagining decompressing there for several hours after a 4 hour, 350 foot dive, before ascending safely to the surface. I glanced at my computer and saw I had 16 minutes of required deco at 10 feet before I could safely surface, and then I looked at my guide who was keeping an eye on me for any problems I might encounter, and I felt like a weekend warrior.

But weekend warrior or not, I had a blast. Can’t wait to return. Some pictures are posted at:

http://picasaweb.google.com/deanme9/Mexico09November#

Me
11-16-2009, 02:56 PM
Dean!

Great trip report! You've got me stoked....leaving in 19 days!

Next trip be sure to take in LabnaHa......for diving and the Mayan lunch. Sergio and Pep are great.

Thanks!

Lori

sandy
11-16-2009, 03:34 PM
Dean, Thanks for the report. Will you be at the NACD seminar this weekend?

deanme
11-16-2009, 04:57 PM
I'm on call for work, so I don't think so. Where is the conference?

sandy
11-16-2009, 05:42 PM
I'm on call for work, so I don't think so. Where is the conference?

It is at the Clarion Inn in Gainesville this Saturday. Three of us that met you at Wreckfest (Sunday to the Queen) will be there.

deanme
11-17-2009, 05:34 AM
It is at the Clarion Inn in Gainesville this Saturday. Three of us that met you at Wreckfest (Sunday to the Queen) will be there.

Sounds fun, but I probably won't be able to make it since I'm on call. I have to be near my work laptop all weekend.

sskasser
11-17-2009, 07:38 AM
Sounds fun, but I probably won't be able to make it since I'm on call. I have to be near my work laptop all weekend.

Ain't them things portable? Geeeeez, Dean!

sandy
11-17-2009, 07:47 AM
Ain't them things portable? Geeeeez, Dean!

And I am sure the hotel has wireless :)

FW
11-17-2009, 08:58 AM
Yea, but his "work" might take a dim view of him taking "their" laptop to a hotel :roll:

deanme
11-17-2009, 01:31 PM
Yea, but his "work" might take a dim view of him taking "their" laptop to a hotel :roll:

ever see that commercial where 4 guys are holding some sort of meeting with the boss who is in another city, and then the "walls" fall down in their conference room and a golf course behind the walls appears? i love that commercial.

Me
11-17-2009, 01:49 PM
I used an open hotel wireless at a recent conference in downtown San Francisco. Picked up so many viruses over a 3 day period that it brought my work laptop to its knees.

sskasser
11-17-2009, 01:58 PM
I used an open hotel wireless at a recent conference in downtown San Francisco. Picked up so many viruses over a 3 day period that it brought my work laptop to its knees.

Yep, makes my air card well worth the money!

FW
11-17-2009, 02:22 PM
I used an open hotel wireless at a recent conference in downtown San Francisco. Picked up so many viruses over a 3 day period that it brought my work laptop to its knees.
They didn't have any antivirus on it???

Me
11-17-2009, 02:24 PM
They are running Symantec and it only marginally performed in the theater district of San Francisco (I did NOT pick the venue :roll:).

I now have an AirCard corporate paid!

Me
11-17-2009, 02:26 PM
I'm hoping my work laptop will survive DeRosa's wifi next month. My aircard is not international. Hopefully there will not be as many nefarious gremlins about in Aventuras Akumal as there are in the theater district of San Franlooneytown.

Slüdge
11-17-2009, 02:27 PM
I could have told you that you'd pick up viruses in the theater district of San Francisco!

Me
11-17-2009, 02:31 PM
I could have told you that you'd pick up viruses in the theater district of San Francisco!

:rollguyTouche' :clapper

Thankfully I'm not promiscuous like my laptop........:mama

sskasser
11-17-2009, 03:35 PM
I could have told you that you'd pick up viruses in the theater district of San Francisco!

Ouch....I hope you got shots for that, Russell!

deanme
11-19-2009, 07:49 AM
Heading back to Mexico January 16th for a week. Chris at Zero Gravity mentioned that I can get an inexpensive direct flight from Orlando to Cancun on Jet Blue, and sure enough, inexpensive flights are available. Total flight time from Orlando to Cancun is 2 hours. Wow. Check it out.

This trip I will be renting a smaller, more inexpensive car. The past 2 trips to Mexico, I rented an enclosed hard top Jeep. The care was wonderful, but cost a bundle for 8 days. This trip I'm renting a much smaller car. My only concern is, the clearance for the roads back to some of the dive sites. I don't want to take out anything underneath the car.

Anyone have any experience with small wind up cars in the back country in Riviera Maya? Any horror stories of getting a flat and having to spend $500 to get the car towed? AAA won't work, maybe DAN? :)

dean

Me
11-19-2009, 12:02 PM
Dean,

I can't answer your questions about rollerskates and back country accessibility as I've always been in a DeRosa van. But we did rent a rollerskate (Altos) a few years ago for some pre-cave-week sightseeing and picked up a nail on Hwy 307. If this happens to you, change to the spare, and have one of the locals take in your flat for repair. Cost us a whopping $3 USD.

Last year we rented a 4x4 Fiat Panda....don't be fooled, it's just a larger size rollerskate....no more clearance than the Altos.

Lori

deanme
11-20-2009, 06:03 AM
Thanks for the input.

I'll give the small care experience a try and see how it goes. Like side-mount configuration, experimentation is always good. I can always hire a guide for those hard to get back country dives and leave the wind up rubber band car at the hotel.

Can I expect similar weather in January that I had in November?

When in Mexico, do you dive air (21%) or nitrox? My last trip, my tanks were between 32% and 36%, which was perfect. But the tank fills were $15 vs $10 for air. So I thought I save some money and dive air. I'm still going to dive 36% at Pet Cemetery, where I dive the Blue Hole on an air tank, and at The Pit, where I dive an air tank for the deep part of the dive. But I'm thinking nitrox is a waste of money for the 2 hour dives I do at 30 feet. But then again, I know you can get bent from a long dive at 30 feet.

thanks,
dean

FW
11-20-2009, 06:56 AM
Thanks for the input.

I'll give the small care experience a try and see how it goes. Like side-mount configuration, experimentation is always good. I can always hire a guide for those hard to get back country dives and leave the wind up rubber band car at the hotel.

Can I expect similar weather in January that I had in November?

When in Mexico, do you dive air (21%) or nitrox? My last trip, my tanks were between 32% and 36%, which was perfect. But the tank fills were $15 vs $10 for air. So I thought I save some money and dive air. I'm still going to dive 36% at Pet Cemetery, where I dive the Blue Hole on an air tank, and at The Pit, where I dive an air tank for the deep part of the dive. But I'm thinking nitrox is a waste of money for the 2 hour dives I do at 30 feet. But then again, I know you can get bent from a long dive at 30 feet.

thanks,
dean
Not a lot of differnce between Nov and Jan in MX. Maybe a *little* cooler.

I dive air down there.

Me
11-20-2009, 08:23 AM
We've only been in January once in the 9 times we've been there. All the other times have been in December. I did find it a bit cooler in January, than in December. Typically in December, it's warm enough in the sun on the beach to warm up after a long chilly dive. But in January, I found the breeze to be chilly and just not comfortable for a warm-up on the beach before lunch. When I say a warmup on the beach, don't think we're sitting there like sunbathers....:smt081....it's after dressing new tanks, and then waiting for lunch. We go out there in damp shorts and t-shirts, grab a chaise. and flake for a 15-20 minute catnap before getting the "lunch is served" call. That's the extent of our beach time for the week! :smt081

As to Nitrox, we've been doing the same thing for the last 8 years. (first year was air only) We dive Nitrox 32% on our first dive, and then air topped Nitrox tanks for the second dive giving us in the mid to high 20s depending on how low the tank was when it was topped. It costs us a flat $100 apiece for the week. We feel it's worth the money for the extra margin it gives us with tissue sats.

When we do the Abyss we do air in our stage, 32% on our back gas.

AB8CD
11-24-2009, 09:18 PM
I got spooked by the entrance to Jail House, which is very silty, and called the dive early.

I have some interesting memories of Jail house. My first dive, the silt out extended below the funnel so it was interesting feeling my way in...then the freshwater portion of the cave truly does give you the feeling of being in the "underworld" with its dark browns... On our way out I was leading and saw a wall of blackness rolling towards us from the entrance as a team of 3 divers were dragging O2 tanks and cameras in the silt. I went to the line as they crawled over me and it was touch contact out... until I came to a tie-off and nothing beyond it... zero vis, end of dive air pressure, water full of particulate (I was waiting for a free flow), tight quarters... I reached back and brought my buddy's hand forward to the tie-off... and felt her feel for the rest of the line... In my mind I wondered if I had missed a 'T'... it had just come loose. It is interesting doing mental calculations of deco obligations in zero vis... and then very slowly moving up the line.

I dove it a couple months later and it was clear into the funnel... so much nicer!

LCF
11-24-2009, 11:42 PM
We dove Jailhouse today. It's quite an experience, insinuating yourself carefully into the cave, trying not to blow the viz to the point where you will be in zero viz coming out!

deanme
11-25-2009, 07:03 AM
I have some interesting memories of Jail house. My first dive, the silt out extended below the funnel so it was interesting feeling my way in...then the freshwater portion of the cave truly does give you the feeling of being in the "underworld" with its dark browns... On our way out I was leading and saw a wall of blackness rolling towards us from the entrance as a team of 3 divers were dragging O2 tanks and cameras in the silt. I went to the line as they crawled over me and it was touch contact out... until I came to a tie-off and nothing beyond it... zero vis, end of dive air pressure, water full of particulate (I was waiting for a free flow), tight quarters... I reached back and brought my buddy's hand forward to the tie-off... and felt her feel for the rest of the line... In my mind I wondered if I had missed a 'T'... it had just come loose. It is interesting doing mental calculations of deco obligations in zero vis... and then very slowly moving up the line.

I dove it a couple months later and it was clear into the funnel... so much nicer!

What you experienced seeing a second team enter Jail House silting up the entrance was all I could think about while enjoying the salt water large room at 70 feet. This salt water room is spectacular and should be experienced by everyone, but it is always nice to be able to exit the cave at the end of the dive. And if another team enters this cave and isn’t careful, the last 100 feet or so are going to be complete silt out, making the exit very difficult.

You never finished your story. You reached the end of the line with a tie-off. You thought you missed a T, which is what I would have thought, or the line came lose, again, a logical conclusion. So how did you eventually find the exit?

It is one thing to have a silt-out 1,000 feet into the cave, where you can turn around and swim to clear water. But it is another thing to have a silt-out waiting for you at the exit.

FW
11-25-2009, 08:28 AM
Deanme, I don't mean to pick on you, but I missed the siltout part of your first post.

I am not the least bit spooked by silt, but I do turn a little early, so I am sure I have enough gas to get back through a silty area.

On the other hand, I have seen cavedivers with over 100 cavedives after full cave that are spooked by low visibility. I have heard stories from guides for places like Alachua, that has tannic water in the head pool. Many of the divers (all 100 dives or above), can't go through the head pool into the nice clear cave. It isn't so bad that you can't see the line, so I just don't "get" it.

By the time you finish full cave, you should have done several simulated zero viz drills. If you are un-comfortable in low viz, you should practice every chance you get. You need to be comfortable enough in low viz, so you don't "get spooked" if you do happen to encounter a siltout.

I don't mean deliberately silting a cave, but I have done that in a quarry for practice. You can just close your eyes, and practice following the line in places that don't get silted easily, like Devil's Eye. Let your buddies know in advance, so they don't get worried about you.

AB8CD
11-25-2009, 08:41 AM
You never finished your story. You reached the end of the line with a tie-off. You thought you missed a T, which is what I would have thought, or the line came lose, again, a logical conclusion. So how did you eventually find the exit?

It is one thing to have a silt-out 1,000 feet into the cave, where you can turn around and swim to clear water. But it is another thing to have a silt-out waiting for you at the exit.

Sorry. I was at the tie-off at the bottom of what I call the funnel (on the exit side of the first "T"). It is a short wooden post pressed into the sand... remember, this was my first time diving this site... the line had been pulled loose on the exit side and was floating in suspension after the post... I was in zero vis, following the line... and I was a little "stumped" mentally for a moment when I did not feel the taught line continue past the tie-off... It was my guide, Ela Bertoni (BTW, GREAT Instructor/Guide, owner of cave heaven) who was team 1 (so behind me coming out) in touch contact with me. I pulled her hand from my calf up to the line and felt her feel for the line beyond the post. She did the same thing I did... feel around the post... but she had dove the cave countless times before (a good reason to hire a guide to dive a cave new to you...) she KNEW we were in the right spot. She felt the line floating loose (one H*LL of a bad spot to get a line caught in your tank valve) and pulled it snug. All I had to do was some mental deco counting... one Mississippi, 2 Mississippi... and then gently kept the line taught as I held it in my fingers...and walked finger by finger up and out... On the surface, I pulled out the slack and Ela went back down and repaired the tie-off.

We ate our lunch and waited for the other team to come out... Ela was EXTREMELY diplomatic as she asked if they noticed the loose line as they entered the cave... Of course they claimed that it was that way when they came in... she didn't argue the point... but simply suggested that when they encounter a loose line in a cave that they might repair it so others (or themselves) might not get entangled... as they were making some weak arguments she just walked away... She is VERY smooth!

Me
11-25-2009, 09:09 AM
I don't mean deliberately silting a cave, but I have done that in a quarry for practice.

When I was going through my cavern/intro classes back in the 90s, a local cave diver told me how beneficial diving in Ohio quarries would be to my cave skills.

Anyone who has dived a midwestern quarry regularly knows how vis goes to squat at different times of the year, and also on weekends! :roll: Nothing like swimming along in green-ness having no clue where you are....makes a cave silt out with the lovely feel of the line in your hand a non-issue.

deanme
11-25-2009, 02:35 PM
I am not the least bit spooked by silt.

I guess it depends on your definition of “spooked”. I have been in several total silt out situations, and managed through it without any problems. Actually, for the first 30 feet going into Jail House at the beginning of the dive, I was in zero viz. I couldn’t even see my light when I shined it into my face. And yet I continued into the cave with little concern. I had a good solid “OK” on the line, and knew I could exit safely if I chose to turn around in the first 5 minutes of the dive. But that doesn’t mean I could exist safely an hour later if another team entered the cave and silted out the entrance.

Being able to deal with zero viz does not mean I would prefer to be in clear water. Kind of like riding a motor cycle in the rain. I don’t think any experienced motor cycle driver would be “spooked” by driving a bike in the rain, but I also think virtually everyone would prefer not to ride in the rain. Same for me and cave diving. What I can manage, and what I enjoy in a relaxed and fun state of mind can be two different things.

What bothered me most about Jail House was the fact that I was unfamiliar with the cave, and had concerns that I would maybe encounter what AB8CD experienced. Very convenient (yet unplanned) comment on his part should provide ample understanding of why I was “spooked”. If another team entered the cave and caused a problem with the line, I could be faced with a very challenging and potentially life threatening situation.

Additionally, since this was only the second time in this cave, I was lacking local knowledge. I took lots of mental notes on the line placement on the way in, especially the T with the double arrows about 80 feet from the entrance. I also noted that the line came all the way up to the surface of the water. I have observed some local divers in Mexico put some kind of physical marking on their arrows such as a plastic tie-thiny. This is a great idea, and I’ll probably copy it to personalize my arrows so I can distinguish them in a total silt out.

Regarding your comments about practicing, please don’t think that closing your eyes and ok’ing a line in the Devil’s Eye can replicate the feeling of being in a real silt out, especially one where the silt out is at the cave entrance. Kind of like putting on a green with friends, and putting on a green in a real golf tournament. I can’t imagine putting on a PGA tour. I play golf with a buddy on occasion who caddies for his wife, who is in the LPGA. He was on the PGA tour himself for awhile. He said he couldn’t handle the putting with all the cameras and pressure of the money. He shared with me that it is common for some of the lesser ranked players on both the PGA and the LPGA to uncontrollably shake their hands while putting. He said some golfers on the tour will risk being banned and take some kind of drug to relax them. And yet I have no doubt these same shaky-handed-people would wipe me off the putting green while at the same time talking with someone on their cell phone, have a stone in the shoe that bothers them, and have to pee because they just downed 3 beers. Context is everything.

I’m not suggesting some who has a lot more experience than I do is as easily “spooked” as me in a silt out situation. Every time I do something, whether it is playing golf, cave diving, or surviving a challenging situation at work, I improve with experience. So I’m confident that with time, my feelings and confidence will improve with dealing with a silt-out. But I will never, nor do I want to ever, become so complacent as to not have any concerns about the real possibility of what happened to AB8CD.

One of the best lessons I learned from my cave instructor, involved me getting tied up in a knot at the lips in Ginnie while doing a lights out – eyes closed – gas sharing drill. We were exiting the cave and rounding the corner at the lips where there is lots of flow. I was in the back, donating my gas to my buddy. For some reason my buddy stopped at the corner, and my legs got pulled around due to the flow and my buddy and I were facing each other. The more we struggled to get untangled, the more tangled we got. Upon surfacing after the drill, I thought I was going to get ripped apart by my instructor, but instead, he said, the purpose of that drill was to get it imprinted into your mind, never get into a situation where you cannot get out of it. Wow. Great lesson. Now, every time I round a corner, every time I enter a room, every time I look at my pressure gage, I think to myself, am I entering a situation where there is a significant risk of not being able to get easily out of it. As odd as it sounds, this is one reason I prefer to dive solo. I am a very loyal person, and I would rather not take on the risk of having someone along that has a problem and have to deal with it. There is risk with everything we do, but as cave divers we are trained to minimize risk. I’m not in this sport to risk my life. I’m into it for the joy of the experience.

The entrance at Jail House has a lot of silting opportunity, and for someone who doesn’t know the cave well, especially if the line gets damaged, it is more risky to dive this cave then a cave like Ginnie, or any other well known cave in Florida.

Thanks AB8CD for sharing your experience. We can all learn from what happened to you. And thank you Forest for your helpful and well intended comments. :)