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KJM
06-13-2009, 09:29 AM
from http://www.tallahassee.com/article/20090610/NEWS01/906100327/-1/NEWS06/Cherokee+Sink+won+t+reopen+without+permit+

June 10, 2009


Cherokee Sink won't reopen without permit

State park service can't afford $200,000 for public restrooms

By Gerald Ensley
Democrat Senior writer

Cherokee Sink is closed to public swimming — and there's no telling when it will reopen.

The state park service-owned sinkhole was closed by state health officials March 12, after high levels of bacteria were found in the sinkhole's water. Though such closures are routine and usually temporary, the discovery revealed Cherokee Sink never received a "public bathing place" permit, as required of all swimming areas in state parks.

The park service then applied for a bathing permit from the state Department of Health. But one of the chief requirements is permanent public restrooms; Cherokee Sink has only portable toilets. State park officials estimate public restrooms at Cherokee Sink would cost about $200,000 for construction and sewage — and they don't have the money right now.

"Currently, there are no funds available to construct a permanent restroom facility," said Jessica Kemper, Florida Park Service information director. "Until all the requirements of the bathing permit can be met, the park service is not authorized to reopen Cherokee Sink."

Cherokee Sink is a popular natural swimming hole across State Road 61 from Wakulla Springs State Park. It was purchased by the state in 1999 and operated since 2001 by Wakulla Springs State Park. Park manager Brian Fugate said 31,598 people visited Cherokee Sink last year.

Cherokee Sink was owned for decades by the St. Joe Co., which did not sanction its public use — even though thousands swam there — and thus was not required to have a permit. The state licenses 200 freshwater swimming areas on lakes and rivers, including all public swimming areas in state parks.

Bob Vincent, a Department of Health environmental administrator, said there were "hundreds of miles of rivers and lakes" without permits where people swim anyway.

"But if you hold yourself out as a public bathing area you have to (meet the permitting rules)," Vincent said. "We're trying to make it apparent to the public which ones are sanctioned, which ones are healthier and cleaner."

Why park officials did not previously apply for a permit for Cherokee Sink — even though the Wakulla Springs swimming area has long had one — is "a very good question," Vincent said. Vincent noted monthly water testing and the portable toilets indicated awareness of the permit's requirements.

Kemper said the park service operates no other sinkholes "that are primarily identified as swimming destinations," and the park service was "first notified that a bathing permit was necessary" when Cherokee Sink was closed in March. She said it was the first time Cherokee Sink had been closed because of water quality since the state began operating it in 2001.

Though she could offer no timetable, Kemper indicated Cherokee Sink would reopen.

"(The park service's) intention for Cherokee Sink is to maintain public access for swimming," Kemper said. "To do such, funding must be obtained to construct permanent restrooms and we cannot speculate on when this money will be allocated."

SuPrBuGmAn
06-13-2009, 10:09 AM
They should get permited like Peacock State Park is permited, in order to use their port-o-potties as a permanant bathroom fascility.

Why do the state parks have to be so inconsistant?

DogDiver
06-13-2009, 05:38 PM
shhhhhhhh don't let them know that peacock only has porta potties.....this might be an issue for Little River also...

SuPrBuGmAn
06-13-2009, 06:57 PM
I thought Peacock got an exeption? Not an oversight. I just dont' see why they can't make an exemption for Cherokee.

Caver95
06-14-2009, 09:01 AM
Peacock has the "AMAZING BIO ****TER" by orange grove.

Tegg
06-15-2009, 07:49 AM
A permit for a swimming hole to be swam in?

Now I have heard of it all.

Numus
06-15-2009, 10:20 AM
The state park service-owned sinkhole was closed by state health officials March 12, after high levels of bacteria were found in the sinkhole's water.

Hmm.. brings me back to all those rescue diver courses we use to do in cherokee... the hours i spent in there and sat at the bottom, waiting for someone to find me and rescue me... No wonder i always got a damn ear infection..

rox@ucf11
06-17-2009, 09:15 AM
Hmm.. brings me back to all those rescue diver courses we use to do in cherokee... the hours i spent in there and sat at the bottom, waiting for someone to find me and rescue me... No wonder i always got a damn ear infection..

Ear beer is your friend

ARY
06-17-2009, 10:17 AM
It is gotta be a state of the art toilet for $200K. My house and land total was appraised well less than that...

bgillespie82
06-17-2009, 01:27 PM
I think the problem is running pipes to the facilities. Cherokee Sink is about 2 miles out in the woods.

Numus
06-17-2009, 02:29 PM
I think the problem is running pipes to the facilities. Cherokee Sink is about 2 miles out in the woods.

So are wakulla sink and the FWC Shooting Range... and they both have bathrooms... kinda

Slüdge
06-17-2009, 03:15 PM
It is gotta be a state of the art toilet for $200K. My house and land total was appraised well less than that...

So what you're saying is your house compares unfavorably to a public toilet?

:rollguy

cwick
06-17-2009, 03:21 PM
So what you're saying is your house compares unfavorably to a public toilet?

:rollguy

That's Cold:smt079

bgillespie82
06-17-2009, 04:46 PM
Yes but you must keep in mind that to Wakulla Park, Cherokee is a nuisance. They have to have someone out there to constantly watch the people, make sure they don't have alcohol, and basically babysit. The park purchased the land to protect it, not to provide a swimming place. If they wanted a swimming place they would have never purchased it. I think that this is nothing more than a good excuse to not allow people there and not put funds into it. The big problem is now that Cherokee is closed we will see a larger amount of swimmers that have no care for the sinks possibly sneaking off to emerald and other sites leaving their garbage at the bottom like they have at Cherokee since the beginning of time.



So are wakulla sink and the FWC Shooting Range... and they both have bathrooms... kinda

Numus
06-17-2009, 05:04 PM
Yes but you must keep in mind that to Wakulla Park, Cherokee is a nuisance. They have to have someone out there to constantly watch the people, make sure they don't have alcohol, and basically babysit. The park purchased the land to protect it, not to provide a swimming place. If they wanted a swimming place they would have never purchased it. I think that this is nothing more than a good excuse to not allow people there and not put funds into it. The big problem is now that Cherokee is closed we will see a larger amount of swimmers that have no care for the sinks possibly sneaking off to emerald and other sites leaving their garbage at the bottom like they have at Cherokee since the beginning of time.

That is a better answer then the first one lol

ARY
06-17-2009, 08:21 PM
I think the problem is running pipes to the facilities. Cherokee Sink is about 2 miles out in the woods.

For 200K they should lay the pipe alltheway to Tallahassee....


So what you're saying is your house compares unfavorably to a public toilet?

:rollguy

Should I know 5 yrs ago that public toilet holds the value, i.e. better investment than a family house, or stock market...

Ok if they purchase it to protect it the next logical step is to open it to dive to some qualified research group :-)

bgillespie82
06-17-2009, 09:28 PM
For 200K they should lay the pipe alltheway to Tallahassee....

Should I know 5 yrs ago that public toilet holds the value, i.e. better investment than a family house, or stock market...

Ok if they purchase it to protect it the next logical step is to open it to dive to some qualified research group :-)

It was open to dive. you just needed a buddy and a OW card. The Wakulla County Dive Club was working with the park manager to clean the sink from beer cans and infinite supply of garbage in it till this happened.


This is just an estimate and If you haven't been to Cherokee you will see that it would take quite a bit to build a facility, get permits to cut great oak trees, lay pipe, Install electric wires, and overall bring it up to code that the State Requires. I agree that 200k is rather high and keep in mind that our sources are The Tallahassee Democrat (not very good source if you ask me). So it may be cheaper! Either way do you think the State is going to cough up the $$ for a sink that cost nothing to dive/swim in? You didnt even have to pay the $3 or whatever park fee there is to go here. The Park has been wanting to shut this place down for a while and the Bacteria/facilities reason was a perfect excuse.

Numus
06-18-2009, 07:32 AM
Unless you are into artifact diving you really are not missing much by never diving cherokee... I loathed every minute i had to be in it...

SuPrBuGmAn
06-18-2009, 08:23 AM
I always wanted to try out the cave in there, but still haven't gotten my feet wet in that hole.